PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Iassel said:
It would be a minimum of 6 people - if City appealed, a new panel would be formed to hear that appeal.

Whether it’s 6,3 or even 1 is irrelevant though - these are serious people forming the panel and are not going to find in the PLs favour unless they prevent something explosive that City can’t defend.

But even if we examine the reality of a kangaroo court as people constantly panic about, say that what City put up is truly incontrovertible and the panel finds against the club anyway - off the record, City would be fucking delighted as it’s basically the only route outside of the PL environment to an external court which is where the club have always argued this should be handled.
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Haven't all 3 been selected already by the PL?

Recall one being an Arsenal fan?
 
Iassel said:
Having spent a depressingly long time both being a Deloitte auditor and now being an auditee in my life, in this specific case it’s clear there is no finger being pointed at BDO.

The PLs underlying accusation is ultimately that some of the contracts City hold/held were only functional on paper and were just a vehicle for SM to pump equity money in.

BDO will have been presented a signed contract and seen funds coming into the bank and moved on. They may have even asked City the route of funds (unlikely) which as was seen at CAS there was a perfectly reasonable explanation for, so BDO not flagging any concerns doesn’t infer anything about them.
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Having spent the minimum 2 years as an auditor in order to obtain my license I couldn't get to the other side of the aisle quick enough.

That said, please explain what the PL can offer as proof that any of City's contracts were "vehicles" to pump equity money in as personally I believe this to require a substantial amount of hard evidence placing a massively high burden of proof on the PL.

Also, if City were to have done this it would unequivocally constitute fraud from a legal standpoint, simple as. Do we really need to go over the obvious reasons?
 
The blue phantom said:
You've just accused possibly 12 Jurors of doing the same thing. So why can't I accuse a KC of having in the back of his head "I really fuckin hate this club" and I'm in a position to show more support to the PL?
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Presumably the answer is that, yes every human being is susceptible to bias or undue influence.

But having KCs is probably the option least option to bias due to their experience, expertise and legal responsibilities.

Maybe one day we’ll have AI justice systems but until then we’re stuck with us mere mortals…
 
TheThirdDeano said:
You know if you were just mentally rich, and I mean incomprehensibly rich, could you as a private citizen sponsor city for £1bil to have your name on the front of the kit? Maybe a picture of your with a thumbs up or whatever?
Or would that be frowned upon by the paragons of virtue in charge?
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No because it has to be fair market value . Utter nonsense! Who decides ??
 
Centurions said:
I'm afraid practicalities hold more sway in this case than fairness. How many years have they spent just on our case?
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The point of it is tho, if something as inconsequential as a few out of context emails on a hacked case could start a four year long forensic investigation into a teams accounts then why would you not use some of the vast resources available to you as the overseer of a multi billion pound sport to make sure that each and every club is adhering to the same rules.
 
mcfcphil said:
Presumably the answer is that, yes every human being is susceptible to bias or undue influence.

But having KCs is probably the option least option to bias due to their experience, expertise and legal responsibilities.

Maybe one day we’ll have AI justice systems but until then we’re stuck with us mere mortals…
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i think red dwarf has shown that an ai justice system would be absolutely horrific
 
Bluesince1979 said:
No because it has to be fair market value . Utter nonsense! Who decides ??
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This has always been my problem with ffp, the idea of fair market value has always been complete nonsense, no outside entity can decide market value, the market itself decides it, this is akin to ford deciding that ferrari sells its cars for too much and has to reduce them.
 
mancboy said:
The point of it is tho, if something as inconsequential as a few out of context emails on a hacked case could start a four year long forensic investigation into a teams accounts then why would you not use some of the vast resources available to you as the overseer of a multi billion pound sport to make sure that each and every club is adhering to the same rules.
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Because I think it's literally impossible. I would more be wondering why start a 4 year long forensic investigation on something as inconsequential as a few out of context hacked emails? I would love to know what conversations took place at the very start? Was it just us saying we're not commentating on a handful of hacked, out of context emails that put the PL's noses out of joint?
 
Centurions said:
Because I think it's literally impossible. I would more be wondering why start a 4 year long forensic investigation on something as inconsequential as a few out of context hacked emails? I would love to know what conversations took place at the very start? Was it just us saying we're not commentating on a handful of hacked, out of context emails that put the PL's noses out of joint?
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thats my point, if you're going to go that deep on very spurious evidence to begin with, you really should be taking it to that level for everybody.
 
mcfcphil said:
Presumably the answer is that, yes every human being is susceptible to bias or undue influence.

But having KCs is probably the option least option to bias due to their experience, expertise and legal responsibilities.

Maybe one day we’ll have AI justice systems but until then we’re stuck with us mere mortals…
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Correct, 12 random people pulled from the electoral role (all from within a relatively small area BTW) who may or may not know the square root of fuck all besides what the papers or (even worse) social media has told them or 3 highly educated KC's. Hmm, difficult choice.
 
mcfcphil said:
Presumably the answer is that, yes every human being is susceptible to bias or undue influence.

But having KCs is probably the option least option to bias due to their experience, expertise and legal responsibilities.

Maybe one day we’ll have AI justice systems but until then we’re stuck with us mere mortals…
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HAL 9000 likes this.
 
mancboy said:
thats my point, if you're going to go that deep on very spurious evidence to begin with, you really should be taking it to that level for everybody.
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I wouldn’t call it spurious as such, Uefa, ourselves and CAS all agreed that the content of the emails if deemed admissible would mean we had a legitimate case to answer.
 
mcfcphil said:
Presumably the answer is that, yes every human being is susceptible to bias or undue influence.

But having KCs is probably the option least option to bias due to their experience, expertise and legal responsibilities.

Maybe one day we’ll have AI justice systems but until then we’re stuck with us mere mortals…
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Football tribalism is like nothing else. I wouldn't trust any fucker tbh. If someone's telling me a KC has never ever used any bias in his duties I'm calling bollocks. Especially a fuckin Tarquin.
 
halfcenturyup said:
I lived plenty of crazy scenes as an auditor, but the idea auditors just look at what is put in front of them is ludicrous.
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When I was employed by a co whose auditors were BDO, they would ask me to provide full documentation ab initio of a raft of items from my budget. Believe me, finding every scrap of paper was no easy task but the auditors did not take at face value whatever the accountants told them.
 
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