PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Gorton_Tubster]

Hmm I’d like to think so but. If they get rid of us and the rags are getting government help to do up the swamp again! Everything will be like it was in the 90s. We aren’t wanted. They want the rags back on top. I’ve said before on here once we’reone the scum will copy our business model. The plans they have for the swamp is a carbon copy of the Etihad campus.

Very true. But I don't think it's City they don't want. It's Pep they don't want... Pep at City (and not the media favoured clubs). The PL don't mind the domination of the league, they just want it to be lfc or utd.

Imagine that, the best manager in the world comes to the PL and the PL try to get rid of him. Typical English media.

 

[mancboy]

Very true. But I don't think it's City they don't want. It's Pep they don't want... Pep at City (and not the media favoured clubs). The PL don't mind the domination of the league, they just want it to be lfc Ord utd.

Imagine that, the best manager in the world comes to the PL and the PL try to get rid of him. Typical English media.

its the english disease, we are quagmired in traditionalist bullshit.

 

[jaiguruKun]

Please excuse me for perhaps asking silly questions or making dubious points.
1. I have tried to ascertain exactly what the 115 charges are and cannot find this online anywhere.
2.Do the PL not have a duty to clarify these charges to fans of a club ?
3. When precisely did the PL become aware of these misdemeanours ?
4.My reasoning is simple. I do not hold a SC, go when I can.But say you are a SC holder, and were made aware of the charges you may not wish to renew your SC. You will have spent money following City on the premis we have done nil wrong.You will have paid for travel, SCs, and yet a possible sanction would be losing those titles which devalues the investment you have made following City.So you have incurred a loss.
5. If you have incurred a loss due to the intransigence of the PL are you able to make a claim in the small claims court ?? i am aware that you can make a personal claim against the CEO of an organisation if you have incurred a loss.
6. So let us say 5k SC City fans serve Richard Masters a notice to prosecute him personally for potential losses in light of the fact they have failed to clarify matters, when exactly accusing City of the same, is this argument feasible.

One for the leagal eagles.

I understand that one answer will be the claim could be made against City !!

The claim against City probably has more legs in the even of the breaches being proven. However, there is no quantifiable loss.

You've still got what you paid for I.e. the entertainment and experience of watching matches.

 

[Bruno39]

Can't help but see that Newcastle takeover has put the familiar American ownerships (Joe Lewis/Levy/Spurs too) arses into panic mode. Landscape not helped at all with Roman being replaced with Bohely.

Us finishing 4th last season ahead of Liverpool, Spurs, Man U was probably considered a full-on act of war.

Jamie Reuben did a podcast interview at the end of last season and said that the reception from one particular club was far from welcoming. To the point representatives/higher-ups were being openly hostile and aggressive to Staveley whilst she was in their company watching the game. Hasn't taken too much to read between the lines, and conclude it was during a 2-1 win at Spurs!

This summer's introduction of fair market value was a direct response to our announcement of SELA (Saudi events company) as a shirt sponsor. Signing up with Adidas as one of their lead brands for next season can't have gone down too well either.

The spotlight on multi-club ownership has come about from the familiar names going into a January window without a pot to piss in when it comes to FFP, and shit scared Newcastle were going to be suddenly donated a raft of talent from Saudi. Which was never, ever the case, or ever going to be.

The American ownerships can't be too happy with your guy's carry on, but their current panic will be the current FFP model's ability to hold back the money waiting to be spent into Newcastle. The damn will burst, and it's not as strong as they like. The thought of Newcastle being able to spend another £300M on their squad scares them - as they know we'll not spunk it up the wall and still finish 8th.

 

[Ducado]

Can't help but see that Newcastle takeover has put the familiar American ownerships (Joe Lewis/Levy/Spurs too) arses into panic mode. Landscape not helped at all with Roman being replaced with Bohely.

Us finishing 4th last season ahead of Liverpool, Spurs, Man U was probably considered a full-on act of war.

Jamie Reuben did a podcast interview at the end of last season and said that the reception from one particular club was far from welcoming. To the point representatives/higher-ups were being openly hostile and aggressive to Staveley whilst she was in their company watching the game. Hasn't taken too much to read between the lines, and conclude it was during a 2-1 win at Spurs!

This summer's introduction of fair market value was a direct response to our announcement of SELA (Saudi events company) as a shirt sponsor. Signing up with Adidas as one of their lead brands for next season can't have gone down too well either.

The spotlight on multi-club ownership has come about from the familiar names going into a January window without a pot to piss in when it comes to FFP, and shit scared Newcastle were going to be suddenly donated a raft of talent from Saudi. Which was never, ever the case, or ever going to be.

The American ownerships can't be too happy with your guy's carry on, but their current panic will be the current FFP model's ability to hold back the money waiting to be spent into Newcastle. The damn will burst, and it's not as strong as they like. The thought of Newcastle being able to spend another £300M on their squad scares them - as they know we'll not spunk it up the wall and still finish 8th.

The common denominator here are Spurs! According to all the rumours it was Levy that pushed this

 

[BerkshireBlue]

That attitude‘s fine as long as we win our case. Either way though I wouldn’t vote alongside those cnuts even if it suited us to. They want the complete ruination of our club and there’s no rule change they won’t contemplate to nobble us at any given point. Give them nowt. Ever

It was a bit of a joke to be honest

 

[Cumbie Blue]

The common denominator here are Spurs! According to all the rumours it was Levy that pushed this

Suits him the most. Get the stadium paid off while revenue streams build (NFL, concerts etc), survive / satisfy PSR (if still applicable) off the Kane transfer fee the next 2 seasons with moderate re-investment in the team to keep within touching distance of the top 4 and just as turnover increases what do you know the new 70% max ratio player costs relating to this comes in and they're big players in the market.

Bar one game I've enjoyed watching Villa this season, ideal chance next year for them to push on but they won't be able to as all part of this masterplan. Anyone know if we have a sell on % clause on Douglas Luiz when he moves in the summer (assuming here we don't buy back of course)?

 

[Bruno39]

The common denominator here are Spurs! According to all the rumours it was Levy that pushed this

The multi-club ownership stuff from Levy is fucking rich considering it's exactly how he ended up in the door at Spurs in the first place. He and Joe Lewis were owners at Prague, Athens, Basel, and Rangers too I think by the time they brought into Spurs when Sugar was the owner.

It's just that sort of hypocrisy and gatekeeping fucks me off.

Just hope our chairman back in Saudi has a quiet word and turns off the taps this summer when it comes from buying from these clubs that are so clearly against PIF's interests in growing Newcastle. Nobody in Europe will be queuing up to buy the next batch of Koulibaly, Mendy or Kante's at full whack from Chelsea! It's obvious Man U will be hoping to flog Varane and Casimero to Saudi to balance the FFP.

Bit of a rant - but it's just adds to the wider fume. Newcastle have funds to spend, but can't/not allowed whilst those who are actively trying to block us spending are pissing money away. Heads would roll (pun intended) if Ashworth and the transfer team signed off on Casimero - 30yo, 300k a week for 4 years

 

[City Mike 1969]

The claim against City probably has more legs in the even of the breaches being proven. However, there is no quantifiable loss.

You've still got what you paid for I.e. the entertainment and experience of watching matches.

Right, that's it... I'm making a claim against the club for the 18 months they saw fit to employ Pearce as a football manager.

According to the criteria laid out above I only received half of what I paid for!

 

[SomeMightSay]

The multi-club ownership stuff from Levy is fucking rich considering it's exactly how he ended up in the door at Spurs in the first place. He and Joe Lewis were owners at Prague, Athens, Basel, and Rangers too I think by the time they brought into Spurs when Sugar was the owner.

It's just that sort of hypocrisy and gatekeeping fucks me off.

Just hope our chairman back in Saudi has a quiet word and turns off the taps this summer when it comes from buying from these clubs that are so clearly against PIF's interests in growing Newcastle. Nobody in Europe will be queuing up to buy the next batch of Koulibaly, Mendy or Kante's at full whack from Chelsea! It's obvious Man U will be hoping to flog Varane and Casimero to Saudi to balance the FFP.

Bit of a rant - but it's just adds to the wider fume. Newcastle have funds to spend, but can't/not allowed whilst those who are actively trying to block us spending are pissing money away. Heads would roll (pun intended) if Ashworth and the transfer team signed off on Casimero - 30yo, 300k a week for 4 years

Well no one said a whisper about this.. the rags taking the Saudi Riyals for years. https://www.themag.co.uk/2020/04/ma...th-deals-wheres-the-outrage-newcastle-united/

 

[paulchapo]

This one? Again with credit to Stefan, as you can see his twitter handle watermarked.

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This reminds me of that Tammy Wynette song No Charge lol.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

This one? Again with credit to Stefan, as you can see his twitter handle watermarked.

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Not read that for a while but it's a reminder that UEFA's case was based on innuendo and collapsed very quickly because there was just no evidence. An absolute disgrace. If it was a criminal case or even a normal civil dispute this would never have even got to court let alone result in a sanction. And yet just last week that snake Ceferin stated: "We were right."

 

[jockblue]

Can't help but see that Newcastle takeover has put the familiar American ownerships (Joe Lewis/Levy/Spurs too) arses into panic mode. Landscape not helped at all with Roman being replaced with Bohely.

Us finishing 4th last season ahead of Liverpool, Spurs, Man U was probably considered a full-on act of war.

Jamie Reuben did a podcast interview at the end of last season and said that the reception from one particular club was far from welcoming. To the point representatives/higher-ups were being openly hostile and aggressive to Staveley whilst she was in their company watching the game. Hasn't taken too much to read between the lines, and conclude it was during a 2-1 win at Spurs!

This summer's introduction of fair market value was a direct response to our announcement of SELA (Saudi events company) as a shirt sponsor. Signing up with Adidas as one of their lead brands for next season can't have gone down too well either.

The spotlight on multi-club ownership has come about from the familiar names going into a January window without a pot to piss in when it comes to FFP, and shit scared Newcastle were going to be suddenly donated a raft of talent from Saudi. Which was never, ever the case, or ever going to be.

The American ownerships can't be too happy with your guy's carry on, but their current panic will be the current FFP model's ability to hold back the money waiting to be spent into Newcastle. The damn will burst, and it's not as strong as they like. The thought of Newcastle being able to spend another £300M on their squad scares them - as they know we'll not spunk it up the wall and still finish 8th.

Well, yes, you've made things even worse from their part. The American owners aren't really interested in trophies, they want solid, dependable cashflow. And the big problem with that is that the amount of cash goes up exponentially if you're in the Champions League - we earned about £100m extra from our participation. United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea had the four places sewn up between them for years and could rely on that money. Now, with City and now Newcastle threatening to make it 6 from 4 (and yes, its possible a Spurs or Villa team might intrude for a while), their chances of being in lower European comps or even missing altogether is huge.

And so that multi-million per annum prize is what they're fighting for now. I'd be surprised if they really cared about winning trophies, its the cash and sponsorships that count...

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Yeah but this time they don’t need evidence. They just have to think we probably did what we’re accused of. Theyl Fuck us over big time! But as someone else said on here earlier, it will all end up in a real court one day. One of the most powerful men in the world has his reputation on the line here. No way he’ll take it lying down

As is clear from the CAS judgement UEFA did not even know who the recpient of the first email was because it was marked for the attention of HH which could have applied to a number of different people. CAS also stressed that the first email was sent two years before FFP was brought in so there was no issue with any of the content of that email. That is about as "irrefutable" as it gets as Khaldoon has pointed out. So why did the PL leadership decide to re-open the investigation? It can only have been a decision in bad faith. When this is over the leadership of the PL must be held accountable. It is very similar to the Post Office scandal where the organisation did its own investigation and acted in bad faith.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Can't help but see that Newcastle takeover has put the familiar American ownerships (Joe Lewis/Levy/Spurs too) arses into panic mode. Landscape not helped at all with Roman being replaced with Bohely.

Us finishing 4th last season ahead of Liverpool, Spurs, Man U was probably considered a full-on act of war.

Jamie Reuben did a podcast interview at the end of last season and said that the reception from one particular club was far from welcoming. To the point representatives/higher-ups were being openly hostile and aggressive to Staveley whilst she was in their company watching the game. Hasn't taken too much to read between the lines, and conclude it was during a 2-1 win at Spurs!

This summer's introduction of fair market value was a direct response to our announcement of SELA (Saudi events company) as a shirt sponsor. Signing up with Adidas as one of their lead brands for next season can't have gone down too well either.

The spotlight on multi-club ownership has come about from the familiar names going into a January window without a pot to piss in when it comes to FFP, and shit scared Newcastle were going to be suddenly donated a raft of talent from Saudi. Which was never, ever the case, or ever going to be.

The American ownerships can't be too happy with your guy's carry on, but their current panic will be the current FFP model's ability to hold back the money waiting to be spent into Newcastle. The damn will burst, and it's not as strong as they like. The thought of Newcastle being able to spend another £300M on their squad scares them - as they know we'll not spunk it up the wall and still finish 8th.

The story about Spurs rings true. Levy is pure poison when it comes to City. He must be keeping his head down now his boss (Joe Lewis) has been convicted of insider dealing. Remember Levy owns 30 per cent of the shares in ENIC(which owns Spurs) so he has a lot at stake.

 

[Bruno39]

Well no one said a whisper about this.. the rags taking the Saudi Riyals for years. https://www.themag.co.uk/2020/04/ma...th-deals-wheres-the-outrage-newcastle-united/

...or the two seasons that Sheffield United were in the PL owned by local businessman done good Abdullah Bin Mosaad Al Saud.

It's nothing to do with 'muh Saudi Arabia', and everything to do with preserving the status-quo. I'm sure you as City fans have been through this all before!

The PL is more than happy for everyone to get their pitchforks out at the thought of Saudi PIF Newcastle actually running a football club properly though. Would have been a very different story if Eddie Howe got someone like West Ham, Villa or even Spurs 4th spot!

Barely a single column inch made on Amanda Staveley making Newcastle's women professional - despite being way outside the top Super League, or her attending every home game. Surprising that, Women's football now covers Guardian and BBC Football homepages, all over Sky.

The PL allows itself to be lobbied by influential ownership structures that if they had it their way would axe relegation, and introduce a play-off season played thousands of miles away in their Fenway Park or fucking the Bud Light Bowl.

I'm not sure how Chelsea post-Roman and Man U make such a pig's ear by having so much money.


Croydon Ultra's won the award for the biggest bunch of useful idiots! Just hope none of them got a Uber to the ground, has a Facebook account or Disney subscription.

 

[Xhavenjoe]

As is clear from the CAS judgement UEFA did not even know who the recpient of the first email was because it was marked for the attention of HH which could have applied to a number of different people.

 

[bluemanchester]

You are looking at it the wrong way CM69. Lilke paintings etc you are paying more for the rare/ limited edition ones. The Pearce teams ability not to score make the goals scored rare collectors items, we could have been asked to pay a premium for performances that only come about once in a blue moon;-)

Right, that's it... I'm making a claim against the club for the 18 months they saw fit to employ Pearce as a football manager.

According to the criteria laid out above I only received half of what I paid for!

 

[Chi-town blues]

And the reporting making out we got off on a technicality.

fuck var .

 

[Cumbie Blue]

The multi-club ownership stuff from Levy is fucking rich considering it's exactly how he ended up in the door at Spurs in the first place. He and Joe Lewis were owners at Prague, Athens, Basel, and Rangers too I think by the time they brought into Spurs when Sugar was the owner.

As many others have said yet again its because we have changed the model into one that works on and off the pitch and it is too late for the others to catch up so they have to shut it down. It's not (just) about making money as a minority investor in a club, its an opportunity (rightly or wrongly, another debate) for all clubs in the CFG to benefit from the available talent pool as a whole and for that talent to develop and reach full potential whatever that maybe.

Luiz at Villa a great example, we identify the talent from around the globe (Brazil) and bring him to City at 19, we loan to Girona to develop him as we could not get a visa, we move on in terms of talent acquisition in this 2 year period and age range (Lavia springs to mind, I may be out timing wise here but the point remains we don't stand still), la Liga experience secures a permanent move to Villa for a reasonable fee and international caps follow. Talent, clubs and CFG all happy. The cycle continues.

Its perfect, loan to a CFG club who benefit on the pitch, talent develops in an environment appropriate to the ability at that time, performance and potential next steps monitored within the CFG and no doubt discussed before decision taken on future (another CFG club, release, / sell) before initial contract runs out. Akin to a series of internal secondments for top talent to improve knowledge and skill base before moving into appropriate positions at the company HQ once well versed in how the business works.

So much better then buying them in and using the standard loan system and our rivals know it. They can't catch us up without putting a decade worth of development into a similar project, unwilling to devote the time and finances as they need to pay those dividends / interest payments so all they can do is complain again to the rule makers and hope they move the goalposts again.