VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

[BlueHammer85]

One day there will be a whistle blower and they will blow VAR and the bent premier league apart.

How long do we have to wait for this day?

 

[BlueHammer85]

Still in favour of VAR @BlueHammer85 ?

Would this have been given without VAR?

 

[Phil1]

Would this have been given without VAR?

Hasn’t your argument always been that VAR will give the decisions that the on field ref missed?
Seems pointless otherwise.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Would this have been given without VAR?

It SHOULD have been, and there are no doubt examples of such decisions being given pre-VAR.

'No more clear and obvious errors' they said.

Narrator: "they lied".

 

[BlueHammer85]

It SHOULD have been, and there are no doubt examples of such decisions being given pre-VAR.

'No more clear and obvious errors' they said.

Narrator: "they lied".

Agreed.
But I’ve always said they’ll get it wrong time to time.
No matter how good the officials are.
I can accept that as long as they always look at ways to improve and learn.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Agreed.
But I’ve always said they’ll get it wrong time to time.
No matter how good the officials are.
I can accept that as long as they always look at ways to improve and learn.

Looking to improve?

How long has VAR been in now?

It's gone BACKWARDS.

 

[Xhavenjoe]

VAR decision. Good one for a change.
Nigeria score but brought back for a penalty to South Africa.
Gone for 2 nil to one all in the space of of a few seconds

 

[BlueMonkey79]

Agreed.
But I’ve always said they’ll get it wrong time to time.
No matter how good the officials are.
I can accept that as long as they always look at ways to improve and learn.

The only thing they have learnt is how to fuck the whole process up.

We've now got nearly 8 officials overseeing matches and they still can't get obvious errors right. Even with the help of replays.

 

[TinFoilHat]

When you break it down it's around one 'mistake' every match week.

I call BS.

 

[Blue Mist]

When you break it down it's around one 'mistake' every match week.

I call BS.

I hope at least 5 of them were in dipper matches and denied them x* number of points.

*when we win the league by x +1 the tsunami of bile will overwhelm the Western hemisphere........ and make it even more enjoyable.

 

[TinFoilHat]

I hope at least 5 of them were in dipper matches and denied them x* number of points.

*when we win the league by x +1 the tsunami of bile will overwhelm the Western hemisphere........ and make it even more enjoyable.

We should sing Simon Hooper is a blue if we do.

 

[mancboy]

The thing is it was introduced as "no more clear and obvious errors" and no-one had a problem with that. Let the referee referee, but if the ball is a yard over the goal line like in that United match, call it back, Maradonna's hand of God, nobody in the ground knew how a midget outjumped Shilton, call it back, Henry's handball goal against Ireland, bring it back, offside by a yard like Walker that time against City, bring it back. But somehow it has morphed into a quest for absolute truth with the interference of FIFA and it's never going to work.

The more I read about what IFAB have said, and are still saying, the more I blame the federations and the national associations. Sort it out, tossers.

Well it has finally happened, the world has finally become a parody of itself as fifa and absolute truth are used in the same sentence.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

Looking to improve?

How long has VAR been in now?

It's gone BACKWARDS.

Since the start of 19/20 season.

VAR is getting worse and they're still making mistakes in what seems like forensic investigation that's taking even longer to solve this season. VAR is sucking the enjoyment of attending live games. Wont be long before TV channels start putting adverts on whilst we wait for the outcome.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

When you break it down it's around one 'mistake' every match week.

I call BS.

It’ll depend on what they class as a mistake.

As most decisions are subjective, any 50/50 decision cannot be a mistake.

If it’s 90/10 and they get it wrong, they still might not class that as a mistake as it can be argued that it’s still a valid but subjective decision. Hence the Rashford offside not being classed as an error, but they wouldn’t let it happen in the same way again.

(Really don’t want this to spark another long debate on that shit decision, it’s just the example of where they can mould the decision to the wording of the LOTG and try to justify why it was acceptable, but wrong)

 

[halfcenturyup]

When you break it down it's around one 'mistake' every match week.

I call BS.

That's "mistakes" as decided by the "independent" panel, you know, the one that is made up of PL executives, PGMOL representatives and ex-players on the PL payroll. The one that said the Fernandes/Rashford goal wasn't a mistake. That panel.

That report is full of bs.

 

[BlueHammer85]

• VAR has intervened correctly on 57 occasions.

to me that shows how bad we had it pre VAR. refs awarding nonsense penalties and offsides being allowed to stand.

 

[halfcenturyup]

• VAR has intervened correctly on 57 occasions.

to me that shows how bad we had it pre VAR. refs awarding nonsense penalties and offsides being allowed to stand.

To me it says, firstly, that the definition of "correctly" is bollocks and, secondly, if you take out the marginal offsides that are completely unobservable to the naked eye in real time then it would probably be half that, more equal to the number of mistakes that they have made even with VAR. And it is still worth it?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

• VAR has intervened correctly on 57 occasions.

to me that shows how bad we had it pre VAR. refs awarding nonsense penalties and offsides being allowed to stand.

It’s literally not worth posting on this thread unless it’s to howl how shit VAR is. Any other view and you are a VARophile and told how shit and corrupt it is.

This thread should be locked for peoples’ mental health. It’s not doing anyone any good.

 

[BlueHammer85]

It’s literally not worth posting on this thread unless it’s to howl how shit VAR is. Any other view and you are a VARophile and told how shit and corrupt it is.

This thread should be locked for peoples’ mental health. It’s not doing anyone any good.

Agreed, get some very fair opinions but other times it's just like debating with Anti Vaxxers.

 

[BlueHammer85]

To me it says, firstly, that the definition of "correctly" is bollocks and, secondly, if you take out the marginal offsides that are completely unobservable to the naked eye in real time then it would probably be half that, more equal to the number of mistakes that they have made even with VAR. And it is still worth it?

yes, still worth it.