Russian invasion of Ukraine

Johnson has come out to say Putin is talking bollocks.

Confirms he did it.

Even if he did tell Zelenskyy to fight why do people think that would have had any real sway past making Zelenskyy feel there was support for them to fight with.

Johnson wasn’t in the negotiating room to scupper any deals. From what the interview said there was no deal to scupper.
 
I love how in geo politics some people on this thread don't understand nuance and just call a **** a ****.

Johnson wanted a war to distract from his shagging/corruption in the UK. Whilst feeding his Churchill cosplay fantasy. Two sources, albeit dubious in some respects confirm this. But they are cunts and cannot be trusted and our world leaders can?

'kin hell.
Can you explain the nuance to one country invading a neighbouring country that gave up nuclear weapons to the other in exchange for assurances that they’d be left alone. Followed by countless war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Seems pretty binary to me, but I’m all ears.

The simple point that often gets overlooked by the equivocators, is that the people of Ukraine don’t want to be part of, or ruled by Russia.

Would you?
 
Can you explain the nuance to one country invading a neighbouring country that gave up nuclear weapons to the other in exchange for assurances that they’d be left alone. Followed by countless war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Seems pretty binary to me, but I’m all ears.

The simple point that often gets overlooked by the equivocators, is that the people of Ukraine don’t want to be part of, or ruled by Russia.

Would you?
Of course not.

We all agree Putin is a ****.
 
As is Johnson!
I despair at where have all the adults gone?

Am I getting old or was there a period on time where even though some politicians were cunts the majority had an ounce of honour and respect about them and died on their sword if they had to for the benefit of all.
 
I despair at where have all the adults gone?

Am I getting old or was there a period on time where even though some politicians were cunts the majority had an ounce of honour and respect about them and died on their sword if they had to for the benefit of all.
You might be getting old, but standards in public life and at the top of public service have definitely dropped horrifically in the last 20-30 years.
 
I despair at where have all the adults gone?

Am I getting old or was there a period on time where even though some politicians were cunts the majority had an ounce of honour and respect about them and died on their sword if they had to for the benefit of all.
There was a time but once Johnson entered stage left, all previous was off.
 
The thing that comes to my mind when reading over the last few pages is the phrase, "Go hard or go home".

Putin obviously failed with his 3 day SMO and has apparently recallibrated to going for control over his 4 new Russians oblasts to save face. Sadly I can see things going the same way as with Crimea and Donetsk/Luhansk, in that positions will be solidfied and defence lines reinforced. Then in 4-5 years time they will come back with another land grab.
As GDM rightly repeats, you simply cannot trust anything they say.

....And so it comes, I think, down to US/EU/UK to think whether they will just draw a line under the support given so far and it effectively have been "wasted" (As it has still resulted in almost 20% of UKR being occupied) or go they "go hard".

I really do think that those countries supporting Ukraine have to fully step up and realise that the only way that this will stop Putin's/Russias own Imperialist/expansionist ideas is to defeat them completely and kick them out of Ukraine. No more messing about with bits and pieces. Give them all those weapons that were going to be decommisioned, give them all the radar batteries required to close the skies, give them all that seized Russian money and also make sanctions bite harder. I also do think a total travel ban on all Russian citizens would have a huge impact.

Go hard or go home, stop messing the Ukrainians about.
There should be no half measures!
 
Johnson has come out to say Putin is talking bollocks.

Confirms he did it.
Hang on, you have the two people that you know are lying whenever they speak saying opposite things...which means one of them is actually telling the truth here. But since both are famous liars we are no further forward.
 
Hang on, you have the two people that you know are lying whenever they speak saying opposite things...which means one of them is actually telling the truth here. But since both are famous liars we are no further forward.
With 2 compulsive liars, you just pick one and ask ‘what would the other person do?’

And the opposite of what they say is the truth.

So, Putin has said that Johnson caused the issue, so therefore Johnson did NOT.
 
Avdiivka looking critical at the minute.
Russians trying to encircle units in small areas.
They are now using TOS-1.
Basically 30-40 tubed thermobaric MLRS.
They are trying to cut Industrial avenue....this road is the heartbeat of Avdiivka.
47th Mech Brigade have been rotated and are defending with all their might,along with everyone else.
Sorry for lack of updates.
My cousin is with 110th Mech and is just West of the pond.....right in the thick of it.....so info is not as often.

Slava Ukraini......Heroyam Slava.
 
Can you explain the nuance to one country invading a neighbouring country that gave up nuclear weapons to the other in exchange for assurances that they’d be left alone. Followed by countless war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Of course he can't/won't, there is no nuance to explain.

Another that forgets that this invasion actually started in 2014, not 2022.
 
Johnson has come out to say Putin is talking bollocks.

Confirms he did it.
Putin signs an agreement with Ukraine to promise not to invade if they hand over their nuclear arsenal. Annexes crimea and other parts of Ukraine in 2014. Early 2022 amassed troops on the border saying we aren't going to invade, then proceeds to invade a sovereign state, unprovoked, committing genocide on the way. Proclaims it's Johnson's fault, and somehow people think ' well ye, maybe he's got a point'
?!?
 

These look like snow ploughs in Russian occupied Donetsk oblast
Ukraine A group of six Buryat T-62M Obr. 2022 and T-62MV Obr. 2022, complete with anti-drone canopies and bulldozer blades or mine ploughs. An RP-377 IED jammer is also visible on the left-most tank.These tanks likely belong to Russia's Buryat 5th Separate Guards Tank Brigade, 36th Combined Arms Army, Eastern Military District
Avdiivka looking critical at the minute.
Russians trying to encircle units in small areas.
They are now using TOS-1.
Basically 30-40 tubed thermobaric MLRS.
They are trying to cut Industrial avenue....this road is the heartbeat of Avdiivka.
47th Mech Brigade have been rotated and are defending with all their might,along with everyone else.
Sorry for lack of updates.
My cousin is with 110th Mech and is just West of the pond.....right in the thick of it.....so info is not as often.

Slava Ukraini......Heroyam Slava.

Just hope they have supplies of ammunition to hold on in Avdiivka there is nothing much on line it sends a strong message it’s a hard battle, hope they all stay safe every one of Avdiivkas heroes.
 
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