PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Paladin]

Yeah, I didn't get the reference to Mr Gaul above, in response to my post, and this was the only thing I could think of. Highly unlikely to be that though.

My dad taught there, and was a friend of Mr Gaul, back in the 60s / 70s.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Yeah but you have to question the sanity of clubs voting for the psr method to be introduced without any kind of breach matrix to accompany it. That kind of leaves it open to whatever masters or in actual fact rags and dippers want rather than predefined unambiguous guidelines. Whilst I used to have loads of sympathy for Everton fans sharing a city with that lot, its kind of waned drastically with all the shite since Lescott and subsequently the incessant victim hood behaviour of "its not fair what about 115 " They voted for the fucking amendments, broke the amendments despite not knowing what any punishment would be and pleaded fucking guilty so if they fuck off the the championship with 2 sets of points deductions then sobeit. At least we wont have to witness antifootball Dyche for a season or 5.

The process has not been transparent though. Everton may have been financially incompetent but ten points seems way over the top. I haven't seen any report of precisely what the clubs agreed at the start of the season in terms of potential sanctions. Surely they would all have to be in the loop. Masters' comments (to the Select Committee) seemed to suggest that he had proposed the ten points sanction and then the so-called independent panel arrived at the same decision. No mention of the clubs. What a total farce. And in all this the paying customers are not even told what is going on.

 

[Gazza]

The PL proposed a 'tariff' starting at a 6 point deduction for failing FFP and another point deducted for each £5m a team failed by. So 10 points deducted for failing by £20m, which would probably have been Everton's punishment.

The independent commission rejected that however, saying it should be up to them to decide any penalty. And then imposed a 10-point penalty.

They probably rejected it because it would have meant deducting united 6 points.

 

[Salford_Blue]

So, why weren't united deducted 6 points for FFP failure, or was that something different?

Of course it was, it was the little known 'Red FFP', where nothing happens

 

[give it to gordon]

So, why weren't united deducted 6 points for FFP failure, or was that something different?

That was UEFA who fined the rags just 300k for being about 45million over compared to Everton only being 19 million in the pl.

UEFA is lesser punishment than pl

 

[Bluesince1979]

They've also woken the whole world up to the fact that we could get even bigger punishements and brought the accusations to a crescendo.

Yeah i dont think its been a positive for us. All thats happened is other fans are screaming “what about city!!!”

 

[hammocity]

That was UEFA who fined the rags just 300k for being about 45million over compared to Everton only being 19 million in the pl.

UEFA is lesser punishment than pl

For the years the Rags were investigated (2019 -2022) UEFA used a greater punishment than the Premier League as the Rags were given domestic leeway over a 47m adjusted loss for 2022.

The Premier League didn’t have rules in place to punish them with Covid losses fully adjusted to cover the loss, wonder how that happened?

 

[Stoned Rose]

And came out with Alphonse Groendyke (one for those who remember the Peter Reid era, I’ve used a bit of artistic licence as well)

A poor man’s Kare Ingebrigsten.

 

[gocity]

Definitely Asda. He said they now price match Aldi and Lidl.

As do Morrisons, according to the notices in the entrance to their stores

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Dived / dove is my fave.

What’s the past tense of to hang glide?

 

[GaudinoMotors]

They've also woken the whole world up to the fact that we could get even bigger punishements and brought the accusations to a crescendo.

Yep - would have been better all round if Forest and Everton had said they'd been caught up in the orchestrated witch-hunt against City. Instead it's "what about City", "what about City"...... unwittingly giving credence to all this nonsense.

 

[bluedave1894]

What’s the past tense of to hang glide?

Hung glided.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Hung glided.

Not Hanged glid? ;-)

 

[Blue_eyes]

Who, Nathan Jones.

Supremely put.

 

[M18CTID]

But did the PL leadership communicate the proposed tariff to the clubs before the season started or was it made up on the hoof by Masters and his cronies? I think there may be a get-out for Everton if the sanctions weren’t agreed by all the clubs.

If they weren’t agreed prior then for me the whole 10 point deduction should be overturned. The PL can’t just make it up as they go along, certainly not for things as serious as this. For all our battles with UEFA, they always seem to have been more organised in terms of the list of punishments for FFP breaches and these have been set out from the outset.

 

[remember arthur mann]

Dived / dove is my fave.

 

[117 M34]

If they weren’t agreed prior then for me the whole 10 point deduction should be overturned. The PL can’t just make it up as they go along, certainly not for things as serious as this. For all our battles with UEFA, they always seem to have been more organised in terms of the list of punishments for FFP breaches and these have been set out from the outset.

You would have thought clubs asked about potential punishments when they voted to introduce it

 

[Rory Bluelow]

Correct. And I would imagine clarity of punishment is fundamental in law. If it isn't, it should be. You can't tell someone if you commit a crime you will either be fined or get a death penalty. If the PL was going to punish PSR breaches with sporting sanctions, they should have made that clear at the beginning imho. Having a cover all rule that says what sanctions (effectively from fine to "death" penalty) can be imposed for any breach doesn't cut it for me.

It's just another poor rule, imho.

Let’s be honest though, the Premier League is an incompetent shower of shit just making it up as they go along. Little secret networks serving the special interests of a few clubs. The good news is they’ve been fucking rumbled, both by politicians and the fans of other clubs although that’s been hampered by an especially vitriolic and nasty press campaign against us. I hope we hang some fuckers out to dry when this is all over.

 

[Gazza]

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We have the Liverpool doves, middle of 4th and 5th rows.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

You would have thought clubs asked about potential punishments when they voted to introduce it

There was no need for any club to ask about punishments in advance as they all (or almost all) fully believed the rules would only be used to keep successful Muslim owners out of “our white mans game”. Ie: to target City. And only City.

The fact that Everton - one of the original (self-titled) “big five” - who collectively got together to take away gate receipts from the away teams and thus destroyed the decades old competitive balance on which the English game had always been built, leading deliberately and inexorably to the situation where, without outside owner investment, 29 of the last 30 English titles would have gone to one of United, Liverpool, or Arsenal, with the one other going to proven ffp cheats, Leicester, are the team that has been most mightily screwed by the Red shirts (who’s interests, never forget, Everton have slavishly followed without question for decades, hoping for some small crumbs from the top table) gives me a lot of schadenfreude-ly pleasure.

Fuck Everton. I hope they go bust.