North Stand Construction Discussion

spiny said:
That graphic makes it easier to understand the concept and implementation behind the North Stand development, rather than it being just a botch or South Stand copy. It will additionally provide unrivalled fans facilities shared with Co-op live to become the foundation for a true destination attraction unlike any other.

Wembley ihas been a template showcase stadium that has proved hard to sustain economically. Arsenal built a budget version based on premium price admission. Spurs built a similar multi-purpose stadium to increase use and exploit London demand that has gained plaudits but it still has limitations on its use.

West Hams London Stadium shows how not to develop a legacy Olympic athletics event, despite every advantage being gifted in place with land and infrastructure?

The much vaunted Old Trafford and Anfield stadiums offer capacity with nostalgia but little else. Both are history clubs offering an outdated past experience that modern fans will not be keen to repeat. Any development of St James Park or Villa Park will be costly steps into the unknown albeit currently under review. Attending at the Etihad offers unrivalled facilities, comfort and views for all.

Looking at major European stadiums. Germany has updated traditional grounds particularly at Bayern Munich, Dortmund and Schalke with the Berlin Stadium still with echoes of the pre-war Olympics including an athletics track. The German model is failing economically and competitively.

The Spanish giants are also going for showcase stadia whilst the Italians have been left behind. Of the other major leagues, France has no solutions.

The English climate and latitude pose different problems with light and weather issues, especially in Manchester which is also without the economic and other advantages of London and many of our European competitors.

It was hard to envisage the CFA being built on contaminated derelict ground next to the Etihad rather than on out of town green field land as the usual option. It has become recognised as a World Class facility and a template for others. The concept behind the North Stand is looks even more revolutionary.

It is 10 years since the South Stand Development. The North Stand Development is a different scale. If City continue on this trajectory, no doubt in 10 years we can expect a 80k stadium as well as stuff our owners are already planning.

The golf saying “drive for show, put for dough” comes to mind. Setting apart design aesthetics, the North Stand development increasingly looks like it will be best in class for fans as well as for MCFC/CFG and as a part of a destination to benefit Manchester.
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Two or three years ago I was shown draft ‘thoughts/plans’ of an 80000 capacity stadium achieved by expanding E & W stands out & up beyond the access spirals & integrating the four corners to a consistent level.

A huge volume of internal space is created for lounges,bars,clubs etc which helps to mitigate the investment cost.

All This can be achieved using land the club currently owns which is smart, attractive financially and very UAE.
 
richards30 said:
Would City fans not be buying the hospitality packages though mate?
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That is why 1894 etc are annoyed it was supposed to be a home end like the KOP or Yellow Wall, never saw such a club where the managers is complaining about the atmosphere.

But the club can only see cash signs, and go against its own manager who has brought them so much success.

Pep wants an atmosphere so give him a ground that gives him that, end of

Pep says we have amazing away support, but he never speaks about the home crowd in the same way

Rant over
 
LEXSTARproject said:
That is why 1894 etc are annoyed it was supposed to be a home end like the KOP or Yellow Wall, never saw such a club where the managers is complaining about the atmosphere.

But the club can only see cash signs, and go against its own manager who has brought them so much success.

Pep wants an atmosphere so give him a ground that gives him that, end of

Pep says we have amazing away support, but he never speaks about the home crowd in the same way

Rant over
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We don’t actually know what the north stand will be yet. (Will it have safe standing, a home end or corporate lite).

It would be such a wasted opportunity if it’s not a proper home end though. We need to push the club on this, otherwise the chance to have something special will be gone.
 
LEXSTARproject said:
That is why 1894 etc are annoyed it was supposed to be a home end like the KOP or Yellow Wall, never saw such a club where the managers is complaining about the atmosphere.

But the club can only see cash signs, and go against its own manager who has brought them so much success.

Pep wants an atmosphere so give him a ground that gives him that, end of

Pep says we have amazing away support, but he never speaks about the home crowd in the same way

Rant over
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Klopp has moaned on numerous occasions about the atmosphere.
 
HelloCity said:
No.

There’s already 2-3 giant screens going up there and the square will need some natural light in the day.
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Have they had planning permission yet, you posted about the Sphere in London not getting the go-ahead because of residents same could happen here!

The resident may not be happy with 40 ft LCD screens on the side of the hotel.

Having the CUBE set up in City Square is a game changer, it could be used for events as City Square going to be open when concerts etc are going on.

Imagine going to see your favourite act being on before a concert and the CUBE doing an amazing display.

City fans used to say about the old City Square not being a destination, but having something like this makes it a destination

 
LEXSTARproject said:
That is why 1894 etc are annoyed it was supposed to be a home end like the KOP or Yellow Wall, never saw such a club where the managers is complaining about the atmosphere.

But the club can only see cash signs, and go against its own manager who has brought them so much success.

Pep wants an atmosphere so give him a ground that gives him that, end of

Pep says we have amazing away support, but he never speaks about the home crowd in the same way

Rant over
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Blame FFP?
 
bluesmith said:
Serious question, have you ever been to the Etihad?
There isn't any residential within hundreds and hundreds of yards of the North stand.
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Yes is the answer to the question, it's about planning permission that I am talking about and residents are allowed to put in objections.

You said you are in the building trade, this kind of thing happens all the time

I just saying that this game changer The Cube at NYCFC is like The Sphere but smaller and could make City a lot of money
 
LEXSTARproject said:
Yes is the answer to the question, it's about planning permission that I am talking about and residents are allowed to put in objections.

You said you are in the building trade, this kind of thing happens all the time

I just saying that this game changer The Cube at NYCFC is like The Sphere but smaller and could make City a lot of money
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There aren't any residents anywhere near the north stand you'd know that if you'd been, any resident who complained would get nowhere as it can't affect them - I'm not even sure any residents would be able to see it if they had binoculars.

As for me being in the building trade, you do realise that 99.99% of people in the construction industry would never look at a planning application?
 
Gone for a Burton said:
Two or three years ago I was shown draft ‘thoughts/plans’ of an 80000 capacity stadium achieved by expanding E & W stands out & up beyond the access spirals & integrating the four corners to a consistent level.

A huge volume of internal space is created for lounges,bars,clubs etc which helps to mitigate the investment cost.

All This can be achieved using land the club currently owns which is smart, attractive financially and very UAE.
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A long way off, if ever, but if City extended the East stand first to increase the capacity of the Etihad to 68,000 - 70,000, I honestly think that would be more than enough for City. For that to happen at all City would need continued success on the pitch over the next decade at least. I think the club will settle for 62,000 for the foreseeable future. That seems to be the benchmark figure for most of the big PL clubs with new or redeveloped stadiums like Arsenal, Spurs, and Liverpool, bar United who are looking at building a new stadium with a capacity of 90,000.(according to Scruffy Jim & the Tax Payer)
 
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bluesmith said:
There aren't any residents anywhere near the north stand you'd know that if you'd been, any resident who complained would get nowhere as it can't affect them - I'm not even sure any residents would be able to see it if they had binoculars.

As for me being in the building trade, you do realise that 99.99% of people in the construction industry would never look at a planning application?
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I mean, there is quite literally a block of flats or two across the road by Asda.
 
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