PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

AshtonBlueMooner said:
Has someone hacked your account or are you really Nick Harris?
Don’t worry. Be happy. No chance of your scenario being a reality.
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It's just a purely hypothetical question as to what would actually happen. I'm relaxed and happy mate. I just have a morbid interest in the 0.00001% chance of that dystopian event/scenario
The mood around our club is confident and we don't have any reason to doubt them based on CAS in my mind..Hopefully this will be the very end of this attack by the hateful 8, and we'll never change Nick's mind either but by the time we're cleared he'll be shouting into an empty void aka substack
 
I stand to be corrected but are we not past the discovery stage of the investigation where the plaintiffs are obliged to have provided us with all their evidence for their charges?

If so the fact we have not shat our kecks at the mere weight of their smoking gun and held our hands up with an "its a fair cop guvnor" should lead us to believe they have waved the der Spiegel emails at us once again.

Additional info allegedly pointing to a query re a certain single individuals testimony and its veracity is merely a red herring by our detractors. His testimony was not the only verification of the true events as stated by our and others documentation, accounts etc.

We all wait for the eventual reveal of the PL's "evidence" with bated breath. It should be a fucking scandal if all they have is what UEFA had and are simply rehashing the same case as held at CAS and expecting or hoping for a different outcome.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
You don’t commit to £300 million to build a new stand and hotel if the club is being sent to the National league.
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Kinkys Left Foot said:
I stand to be corrected but are we not past the discovery stage of the investigation where the plaintiffs are obliged to have provided us with all their evidence for their charges?

If so the fact we have not shat our kecks at the mere weight of their smoking gun and held our hands up with an "its a fair cop guvnor" should lead us to believe they have waved the der Spiegel emails at us once again.

Additional info allegedly pointing to a query re a certain single individuals testimony and its veracity is merely a red herring by our detractors. His testimony was not the only verification of the true events as stated by our and others documentation, accounts etc.

We all wait for the eventual reveal of the PL's "evidence" with bated breath. It should be a fucking scandal if all they have is what UEFA had and are simply rehashing the same case as held at CAS and expecting or hoping for a different outcome.
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Agree. Stefan put it well when he said the burden of proof is VERY HIGH indeed based on what they are accusing us of. Pretty much saying accusing major companies involved of fraud. If evidence was that concrete you'd think that evidence would be handed over to Scotland Yard rather than an IC. Think the plan all along was charge under pressure from Ars, Liverpool and United, know that they'll taint our name for at least 1.5 years with 115 jibes. Then when we clear it the narrative will be the PL are weak. So they'll then push for changing rules in their favour in return for backing Masters and co
 
jitsubluedan said:
The relatives of those who died/suffered in the Munich air disaster can vouch for that - never mentioned by the sycophantic scum loving lick spittle press in this country.

You should read up on it - truly despicable.
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Except once they learnt from the way the dippers monetized Hillsboro, it was suddenly a back to front & centre even with the anniversary sponsored by a life insurance company in such fine taste given how they treated those directly involved.
 
Manchester1894 said:
It's just a purely hypothetical question as to what would actually happen. I'm relaxed and happy mate. I just have a morbid interest in the 0.00001% chance of that dystopian event/scenario
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I mean in that’s scenario (imo) it’s a huge points deductions down to the championship rather than an expulsion purely as it’s easier to logistically handle.

A full guilty verdict would ‘confirm’ one of the UKs biggest ever frauds and would see the SFO coming in and the executive suite getting their collars felt + Uniteds new CEO and executives at UAE state owned Etihad & Etisalat being questioned by U.K. police, and an international diplomatic incident.

City would be sued by every other PL club and half the FL and be insolvent in no time.

So as said before - utter chaos. But none of that is happening without the PL presenting something so incontrovertible that it’s not going to be defended.
 
jitsubluedan said:
The relatives of those who died/suffered in the Munich air disaster can vouch for that - never mentioned by the sycophantic scum loving lick spittle press in this country.

You should read up on it - truly despicable.
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I knew Albert Scanlon who was a United player who survived the crash. He was extremely bitter about United as they never had any contact with him until the PR exercise of the 25th Anniversary.
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
I knew Albert Scanlon who was a United player who survived the crash. He was extremely bitter about United as they never had any contact with him until the PR exercise of the 25th Anniversary.
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Utd shit all over the survivors. Kicking families out of their homes etc before cashing in.

Similar to the dippers cashing in on their their Bill Shankly stuff. In reality they banned him from the club and he watched Everton in his final years.

Both clubs shameless
 
Prophet of Doom said:
Utd shit all over the survivors. Kicking families out of their homes etc before cashing in.

Similar to the dippers cashing in on their their Bill Shankly stuff. In reality they banned him from the club and he watched Everton in his final years.

Both clubs shameless
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Albert was dumped as Bobby Charlton took his place and as far as United were concerned he was fuck all to do with them.

All the false sentimentality with both them and Liverpool is sickening.
 
Winchester said:
What are u on???
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Iassel said:
I mean in that’s scenario (imo) it’s a huge points deductions down to the championship rather than an expulsion purely as it’s easier to logistically handle.

A full guilty verdict would ‘confirm’ one of the UKs biggest ever frauds and would see the SFO coming in and the executive suite getting their collars felt + Uniteds new CEO and executives at UAE state owned Etihad & Etisalat being questioned by U.K. police, and an international diplomatic incident.

City would be sued by every other PL club and half the FL and be insolvent in no time.

So as said before - utter chaos. But none of that is happening without the PL presenting something so incontrovertible that it’s not going to be defended.
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And the end of City as we know it. Would take a generation to recover on the pitch - - probably never off it.

The whole of English football would spend the next 5 years in court.

Probably why the charges won’t stick - but the PL knew all this before charging us and will know what the worst case scenarios are.

I wouldnt look into stadium development costs being a sign of City’s confidence either - there is far more at stake than the cost of the new stand.
 
Prophet of Doom said:
And the end of City as we know it. Would take a generation to recover on the pitch - - probably never off it.

The whole of English football would spend the next 5 years in court.

Probably why the charges won’t stick - but the PL knew all this before charging us and will know what the worst case scenarios are.

I wouldnt look into stadium development costs being a sign of City’s confidence either - there is far more at stake than the cost of the new stand.
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What a depressing post, couldn’t you of watered it down a bit
 
Prophet of Doom said:
And the end of City as we know it. Would take a generation to recover on the pitch - - probably never off it.

The whole of English football would spend the next 5 years in court.

Probably why the charges won’t stick - but the PL knew all this before charging us and will know what the worst case scenarios are.
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That is nothing to do with why the allegations won't stick, imo. The PL simply won't have the evidence to prove any of their more serious allegations. They don't have access to where any incriminating evidence would be maintained and, even if they had a whistleblower, which I can't imagine they do, he would have to have, for example, contracts signed by the various parties which show the conspiracy that is alleged, otherwise it is one man's word against the club's "irrefutable evidence". No one with access to that level of information will be welching on Mansour, even if the club/owner/sponsors did what is alleged, which I can't imagine for one moment they did.

I have my own theory about the PL's actions. the club's actions, the pressure from other clubs and Masters' weakness and the likely outcome of the panel and it all points to exoneration on everything except, maybe some missed disclosures.

All imho, of course.
 
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Manchester1894 said:
Genuinely what would happen if say the whole case went against us?
I don't see it, but I do wonder "what if" sometimes.
But what would season 1 look like? And do we automatically fail subsequent EFL FFPs without revenue from comps and sponsorships? Making getting out a very long journey indeed.
Is it more serious in that our club might just cease to exist and the asset is frozen from ownership by the league due to level of criminality? Or is that unlikely due to fact we have co owners in US/China?
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The minute i turn on the news and see Trading standards, the SFO and HMRC raiding our premises at 5 in the morning is the minute I will think oh shit we've done something shady.
I mean these guys are on the ball with fraud right? If UEFA and the Premier League and the wankers of the UK journalists have the dirt on us, they'd be on the phone to these lot, surely?

Look what happened at Barca and more recently AC Milan.

Has this happened at any of our offices anywhere around the world or the UK? Come on, you doom mongers on here posting your shite, has anything happened?

Of course none of us know the ins and outs but the fact our premises haven't being raided tells us that all these 115 charges is complete bullshit, imho of course.
 
manimanc said:
The minute i turn on the news and see Trading standards, the SFO and HMRC raiding our premises at 5 in the morning is the minute I will think oh shit we've done something shady.
I mean these guys are on the ball with fraud right? If UEFA and the Premier League and the wankers of the UK journalists have the dirt on us, they'd be on the phone to these lot, surely?

Look what happened at Barca and more recently AC Milan.

Has this happened at any of our offices anywhere around the world or the UK? Come on, you doom mongers on here posting your shite, has anything happened?

Of course none of us know the ins and outs but the fact our premises haven't being raided tells us that all these 115 charges is complete bullshit, imho of course.
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Exactly this.
 
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