I don’t look at it that deeply tbh.
Most of the hatred spilled in here is at the exiled former royals. We’re mostly taking the piss.I don’t look at it that deeply tbh.
I think that's the crux of this whole thing to be honest.Neither am I.
And just because there has always been—and will always be—inequality doesn’t mean we can’t point out when people are intentionally or unintentionally trying to obfuscate it and the inherent issues with it, especially when it is based on excepting the narrative very carefully crafted by those that stand to benefit most from its acceptance as inevitable and inconsequential.
The context is entirely relevant, and you know that as well.But that’s not the context of the saying.
Making it the context means no one outside of the royal family is ‘born with a silver spoon in their mouth’.
And that is not the definition of the phrase.
That has little to do with whether Kate herself was born in to wealth and privilege.
Are you really trying to imply my issue with @Brewster's millions nonsensical defence of his assertion Kate did not come from wealth and privilege is based on “hate”?
So you are still maintaining that she was not born in to wealth and privilege?The context is entirely relevant, and you know that as well.
She wasn’t born into an aristocratic family, her parents both worked normal jobs and her family’s wealth appears related to their business activities rather than any trust funds.
I think we may be having two different conversations at this point.I think that's the crux of this whole thing to be honest.
People assume there is something sinister/underhand with the whole photo debacle, when the truth is probably far more boring; she edited it because she likes to play around with photos. That's it.
Now, whilst I understand that's a "no no" in official photos of the RF it doesn't actually indicate they are seeking to change history does it?
Unless of course any one of the hundreds of theories out there on the virtuous truth giving social media platforms are correct eg she's been beaten up, she's dead, she's leaving him, blah blah blah.
Honestly, I've never seen an overreaction like it.
Her parents may have been living a comfortable middle class existence, but the idea that she was born with a silver spoon in the same context as the Royal Family simply isn’t true.So you are still maintaining that she was not born in to wealth and privilege?
If you can't see that some have then maybe look harder? Weird how the 2 people on this thread from the other side think that I mean them and the others just snipe and try to bully.
Hell even the "What about the others" has been mentioned yet again.
Not really, I was addressing the point of obfuscation.I think we may be having two different conversations at this point.
This is what you said:Her parents may have been living a comfortable middle class existence, but the idea that she was born with a silver spoon in the same context as the Royal Family simply isn’t true.
That was the original remark that I referred to, which I think most people would tend to agree with. Obviously I wouldn’t have made the remark if I knew that someone, for some unknown reason, was going to bore me to tears about it.
No hatred towards Kate and Wills and the RF in general - not a big fan but not against having a RF either
I did object to the media coverage and the vile abuse thrown at Meghan specifically- was and still is spiteful,pathetic and depressing how many jumped on board with the bullying.
Now it’s interesting to see the difference in reporting and protecting of Kate by the very same media.
Could you imagine the outcry and rage if Meghan published a completely fake photo and everything that’s followed since ?
The whole saga is intriguing and wondering if it’s all just for publicity, if she’s genuinely ok or she’s just resting up and everything’s fine. I hope it’s the latter.
, when the truth is probably far more boring; she edited it because she likes to play around with photos. That's it.
I honestly don't know.I can’t stand social media conspiracies nowadays but I just find that hard to believe - if that was the case, why wouldn’t they just release the non edited one? The face looks likely to have been superimposed from an early edition of Vogue magazine she did some time ago
That point was about people outside of the royal family (in this thread’s case, far, far outside of it) functionally working to obfuscate the inequality—and the inherent issues with it—that the royal family embodies and perpetuates.Not really, I was addressing the point of obfuscation.
I don't want any family to break up: it creates an emotional minefield for children to navigate. If she wants out, and I have no idea if that is true, I couldn't blame her because the demands on her are intense, relentlessly so. Yes, privilege, but at what cost?In 60 years time when Kate dies the people will say "She finally left him".
I don't want any family to break up: it creates an emotional minefield for children to navigate. If she wants out, and I have no idea if that is true, I couldn't blame her because the demands on her are intense, relentlessly so. Yes, privilege, but at what cost?
The main 'business activity' appears to be their party planning firm, which went bust owing millions.The context is entirely relevant, and you know that as well.
She wasn’t born into an aristocratic family, her parents both worked normal jobs and her family’s wealth appears related to their business activities rather than any trust funds.
And her mother retired and cashed out of that party planning business well before it went bust, meaning it had little impact on the wealth created by it.The main 'business activity' appears to be their party planning firm, which went bust owing millions.
It takes five minutes to look at the Wikipedia page for the Middleton family to see mention of trust funds, 150 year old family law firms, and other inherited businesses.
Definitely, in terms of the media attention, and constant inquiry. I am not a monarchist, but I am not against them either, certainly not as an entity. I will call out the behaviour of individuals, not because they are royal, but because of the way that their misdemeanours are glossed over by our press, who have a vested interest in protecting the institution.It's a tough gig isn't it?
I’m interested in your thoughts on the media coverage before Meghan did any sort of interview? Because again, the media coverage was far worse (and racist) than what is happening with Kate now.Again there is a HUGE difference between what Kate didn't do and what Megan did do, namely an interview.
There are people who support anything that would break up or affect the monarchy just like they did with the last princess of Wales, ohhh they loved her and still harp on about conspiracy theories etc.
Make no mistake these people know what they are getting into when they marry into the firm.
I genuinely respect someone's opinions if they are not based purely on hate.