PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

“Football is an important part of our culture. It matters to fans and to communities”
Not City fans though apparently.
I’ve lost count of the times I’ve read “it’s the fans I feel sorry for” when talking about Everton and Forest.
Meanwhile City and our fans are getting a good kicking on a daily basis from thick know nowt cunts like her.
Yup. We've gone from everyone's 2nd team 20-odd years ago, occasionally giving the rags a bloody nose, recognised for our fiercely loyal fans and the true Mancunian club. To everyone's most hated club, recognised for our passive acceptance of an abhorrent regime and a fanbase of tourists.

34 years and we're still here to 115 charges and we're still here.

Yup, still fucking here...and we'll still be here when these cunts are still wailing at the injustice of ickle City crashing the redshirt party.

So suck it up buttercup.

Fuck 'em all and Up the fucking Blues.
 
This article was posted on a Facebook page called "Super City From Maine Road" and was posted by the Admin of the page. Maybe of interest. Text from the article below.

FFP - A PREMIER LEAGUE OWN GOAL

For the first time in the entire history of the FFP narrative, the focus has shifted (slightly) away from City and other clubs in the financial spotlight, and it’s moving towards “FFP is not working and it’s hindering clubs progress”

So let’s get all this straight…
Premier League clubs voted in favour of FFP rules in early 2013, following the 2009 UEFA review of clubs spending and sustainability (less than a year after City’s takeover)
And now it turns out that the rules don’t just affect the top clubs, but every club no matter where they are in the league, which was fine and dandy… Until the Premier League started docking points for breaking those rules.

Now, we all know that despite these rules being presented as a fluffy, unicorn filled dream where no club will ever need go hungry again, they were brought in to limit mega wealthy club owners such as (at the time) Roman Abramovic and of course; City Football Group.
Meanwhile City have won the absolute lot and Chelsea continue to spend money like it’s going out of fashion but cant win a one ticket raffle, but that’s beside the point for now.

The last transfer window was completely dead, with multiple clubs claiming poverty, that is, relative poverty to FFP.
Arsenal for example couldn’t go in for the players they wanted because they would have passed the FFP threshold in doing so.
Similar was said by other clubs who needed to strengthen but couldn’t despite having the funds to do so.
Then we have the case of Newcastle United… The richest football club in the world, but can’t buy any world class talent off the shelf without the threat of having the man on their back.
Stoke City are in the same boat. Championship FFP rules are aligned with the Premier League. Stoke are owned by the people who created BET365, multi billionaires who can’t spend any money that will meaningfully benefit the progress of their club.
Meanwhile Notts Forest and Everton are having points taken off them during a season where they are fighting for league survival.
Where does this all end?
Who will stand up against these ridiculous regulations that are choking the financial power traditionally associated with the English top flight?

Well I’ll tell you who…. MANCHESTER CITY.

During the initial FFP vote in 2013, six clubs voted against the new rules. Three of those clubs are no longer in this league and the remaining three are Fulham, Aston Villa and the Treble Winning Champions of the World.
City’s bosses saw right through the facade from the beginning, but the long game had to be played out, this wasn’t going away any time soon.
Fast forward ten years and as predicted, the Premier League charged City under the rules designed from the outset to stop them.
Or so they thought…
When UEFA launched an investigation into City’s finances (under its own separate FFP regulations) they alerted the Premier League to its intentions and began sharing their findings, from which the Premier League began its own investigation using UEFA’s evidence as a template. UEFA concluded City were in breach of rules and banned City from the Champions League.
Unfortunately for both organisations, there was a small problem along the way.
That small problem being that not one single piece of evidence that UEFA presented was able to stand up when viewed independently.
Now this would have been bad enough, had the people who reviewed this evidence been anyone other than… The highest judicial authority in the world for sport.
Luckily for the Premier League, a time barred restriction was placed on a portion of UEFA’s evidence, giving the Premier League a window of opportunity, since there was no time bar limits within the Premier Leagues own regulations.
All systems were go, the green light was on… 115 charges relating to Financial Fair Play and profit and sustainability rules.
However…
City insist they’ve not broken any rules and have openly stated they can prove it.
The Premier Leagues charges are as we speak, being independently reviewed by a time served King’s counsel Barrister.
This process is private and confidential by order of…. The Premier League.
No information is allowed to be discussed with third parties including the press, TV media and other private individuals and organisations.
It’s completely hush until the day the independent commission report is published.

When that day arrives, (around June 17th according to some unofficial sources) it will be the end of FFP as we know it.
In the time it took to legislate for City, allow City the time to go ahead and actually “break the rules,” investigate them, charge them and then independently review everything… the Premier League have potentially relegated two clubs, stopped its richest club spending any money, limited its title contenders squad options and caused a knock on effect of club legal action against one another as well as from clubs below them in other leagues.
All this to try and stop the Treble Winning Champions of the World from undermining the established, traditional order at the top of the pyramid.
When the truth finally comes out, the last thing Everton, Forest and Newcastle will be worried about is money. They will be more concerned with the fact that the administration of the very league they compete in has used them as sacrificial lambs as a means to an end that had nothing to do with them.
I highly doubt Premier League CEO Richard Masters sleeps very well at night knowing what’s coming this year regarding City “charges,” but that’s not the only thing giving him anxiety…
What will people think when the severely underreported revelations from 2020 resurface? Namely the fact that Liverpool and Man united had special access to vet Richard Masters as a candidate in the running to be Premier League CEO.
Masters was the League committee’s fourth choice for the role, the other three miraculously decided the job wasn’t for them, leaving the reds lap dog as the only option left.
FFP is just the start, the corruption and manipulation will all come to light.
City have already ruined the party, but to what extent the party has been ruined is still behind closed doors for as long as City have a case to answer.
Those doors will be opening within a matter of weeks and no prisoners will be taken.
Often the question is asked, “If they are innocent, why didn’t City just cooperate?…”

…It’s simple; City do not negotiate with terrorists.
City knew from the start that FFP was a sniper scope aimed at the Etihad.
City knew they were being baited into proceeding with no regard for the new rules.
City knew what the agenda was, who was behind it and how it was being played out the entire time.
That’s why City so confidently state they have done nothing wrong.
Because the last thing City were ever going to do after 2013 was give the Premier League a valid reason to attack.
Their hand was forced with talk of a Government Regulator coming in and the evidence against City will be the same tripe it was when it began in the office of the UEFA FFP panel, the leader of which ended up in a French prison on corruption charges…

Word to the wise… Start getting your apologies ready by the end of spring. City are about to save Football, and it’s going to be BIBLICAL.

- Admin, Super City from Maine Road
Great post Bez. Worthy of a long time lurker’s first posted reply!
 
Alan Sugar led it.

BSB was his company at the time.
Wrong. BSB were later merged with Sky to form BSkyB and had no prior connection with Sky.

Sugar's company Amstrad made satellite dishes for Sky.

ITV submitted the highest bid to screen Premier League football. Sugar was chair of Tottenham then and on the PL management committee. He leaked the details of the ITV bid to Sky and they topped it.

It made no real difference as the PL committee did not want live matches on terrestrial TV and were always going to award the contract to Sky.
 
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This article was posted on a Facebook page called "Super City From Maine Road" and was posted by the Admin of the page. Maybe of interest. Text from the article below.

FFP - A PREMIER LEAGUE OWN GOAL

For the first time in the entire history of the FFP narrative, the focus has shifted (slightly) away from City and other clubs in the financial spotlight, and it’s moving towards “FFP is not working and it’s hindering clubs progress”

So let’s get all this straight…
Premier League clubs voted in favour of FFP rules in early 2013, following the 2009 UEFA review of clubs spending and sustainability (less than a year after City’s takeover)
And now it turns out that the rules don’t just affect the top clubs, but every club no matter where they are in the league, which was fine and dandy… Until the Premier League started docking points for breaking those rules.

Now, we all know that despite these rules being presented as a fluffy, unicorn filled dream where no club will ever need go hungry again, they were brought in to limit mega wealthy club owners such as (at the time) Roman Abramovic and of course; City Football Group.
Meanwhile City have won the absolute lot and Chelsea continue to spend money like it’s going out of fashion but cant win a one ticket raffle, but that’s beside the point for now.

The last transfer window was completely dead, with multiple clubs claiming poverty, that is, relative poverty to FFP.
Arsenal for example couldn’t go in for the players they wanted because they would have passed the FFP threshold in doing so.
Similar was said by other clubs who needed to strengthen but couldn’t despite having the funds to do so.
Then we have the case of Newcastle United… The richest football club in the world, but can’t buy any world class talent off the shelf without the threat of having the man on their back.
Stoke City are in the same boat. Championship FFP rules are aligned with the Premier League. Stoke are owned by the people who created BET365, multi billionaires who can’t spend any money that will meaningfully benefit the progress of their club.
Meanwhile Notts Forest and Everton are having points taken off them during a season where they are fighting for league survival.
Where does this all end?
Who will stand up against these ridiculous regulations that are choking the financial power traditionally associated with the English top flight?

Well I’ll tell you who…. MANCHESTER CITY.

During the initial FFP vote in 2013, six clubs voted against the new rules. Three of those clubs are no longer in this league and the remaining three are Fulham, Aston Villa and the Treble Winning Champions of the World.
City’s bosses saw right through the facade from the beginning, but the long game had to be played out, this wasn’t going away any time soon.
Fast forward ten years and as predicted, the Premier League charged City under the rules designed from the outset to stop them.
Or so they thought…
When UEFA launched an investigation into City’s finances (under its own separate FFP regulations) they alerted the Premier League to its intentions and began sharing their findings, from which the Premier League began its own investigation using UEFA’s evidence as a template. UEFA concluded City were in breach of rules and banned City from the Champions League.
Unfortunately for both organisations, there was a small problem along the way.
That small problem being that not one single piece of evidence that UEFA presented was able to stand up when viewed independently.
Now this would have been bad enough, had the people who reviewed this evidence been anyone other than… The highest judicial authority in the world for sport.
Luckily for the Premier League, a time barred restriction was placed on a portion of UEFA’s evidence, giving the Premier League a window of opportunity, since there was no time bar limits within the Premier Leagues own regulations.
All systems were go, the green light was on… 115 charges relating to Financial Fair Play and profit and sustainability rules.
However…
City insist they’ve not broken any rules and have openly stated they can prove it.
The Premier Leagues charges are as we speak, being independently reviewed by a time served King’s counsel Barrister.
This process is private and confidential by order of…. The Premier League.
No information is allowed to be discussed with third parties including the press, TV media and other private individuals and organisations.
It’s completely hush until the day the independent commission report is published.

When that day arrives, (around June 17th according to some unofficial sources) it will be the end of FFP as we know it.
In the time it took to legislate for City, allow City the time to go ahead and actually “break the rules,” investigate them, charge them and then independently review everything… the Premier League have potentially relegated two clubs, stopped its richest club spending any money, limited its title contenders squad options and caused a knock on effect of club legal action against one another as well as from clubs below them in other leagues.
All this to try and stop the Treble Winning Champions of the World from undermining the established, traditional order at the top of the pyramid.
When the truth finally comes out, the last thing Everton, Forest and Newcastle will be worried about is money. They will be more concerned with the fact that the administration of the very league they compete in has used them as sacrificial lambs as a means to an end that had nothing to do with them.
I highly doubt Premier League CEO Richard Masters sleeps very well at night knowing what’s coming this year regarding City “charges,” but that’s not the only thing giving him anxiety…
What will people think when the severely underreported revelations from 2020 resurface? Namely the fact that Liverpool and Man united had special access to vet Richard Masters as a candidate in the running to be Premier League CEO.
Masters was the League committee’s fourth choice for the role, the other three miraculously decided the job wasn’t for them, leaving the reds lap dog as the only option left.
FFP is just the start, the corruption and manipulation will all come to light.
City have already ruined the party, but to what extent the party has been ruined is still behind closed doors for as long as City have a case to answer.
Those doors will be opening within a matter of weeks and no prisoners will be taken.
Often the question is asked, “If they are innocent, why didn’t City just cooperate?…”

…It’s simple; City do not negotiate with terrorists.
City knew from the start that FFP was a sniper scope aimed at the Etihad.
City knew they were being baited into proceeding with no regard for the new rules.
City knew what the agenda was, who was behind it and how it was being played out the entire time.
That’s why City so confidently state they have done nothing wrong.
Because the last thing City were ever going to do after 2013 was give the Premier League a valid reason to attack.
Their hand was forced with talk of a Government Regulator coming in and the evidence against City will be the same tripe it was when it began in the office of the UEFA FFP panel, the leader of which ended up in a French prison on corruption charges…

Word to the wise… Start getting your apologies ready by the end of spring. City are about to save Football, and it’s going to be BIBLICAL.

- Admin, Super City from Maine Road
Please Please Please let this happen!
 
In other news......Man uniteds 2024 half yearly financial results dropped into my inbox courtesy of Swiss Ramble.
So far the last 2.5 years are:
2022 = -150 million
2023 = -32 million
2024 = -5.5 million

On reviewing past performance 2nd half yearly results (out of CL) will be lots worse probably ending up similarly to last year, about -30 million.
I'm not sure how much they can claim for COVID related relief in 2022 but it will have to make a hole in -218 million or they might have to sell the Wythenshaw Tequilla Queen, Argentinian Romulan lookalikee or the Lancastrian Kilt wearing Tim Nice but dim.
Now that would be a laughingly interesting fire sale.
 
In other news......Man uniteds 2024 half yearly financial results dropped into my inbox courtesy of Swiss Ramble.
So far the last 2.5 years are:
2022 = -150 million
2023 = -32 million
2024 = -5.5 million

On reviewing past performance 2nd half yearly results (out of CL) will be lots worse probably ending up similarly to last year, about -30 million.
I'm not sure how much they can claim for COVID related relief in 2022 but it will have to make a hole in -218 million or they might have to sell the Wythenshaw Tequilla Queen, Argentinian Romulan lookalikee or the Lancastrian Kilt wearing Tim Nice but dim.
Now that would be a laughingly interesting fire sale.

They have allowable deductions of around 35 million a year (infrastructure, academy, women, community) and they claimed Covid losses of around 40 million in 2022 (one of the few clubs to claim that in 2022, the rest just claiming 2020 and 2021) which the PL not surprisingly allowed apparently (but UEFA didn't, hence their fine). So even with those two numbers, they are well over the allowable losses of 105 million unless they have a much better than expected 2H (they won't) or they sell some players at a hefty profit (Mainoo to City for a cheeky 40 million in view of our new pally relationship?). No wonder they are pushing for new rules .....

I was joking about Mainoo. I think.
 
It's really quite strange that all of these football fans were caught completely by surprise by the corruption of the FFP system, 14 years after it was implemented against City.
It’s only corrupt when used against them it’s a perfectly good system when used against us .funny that
 
Bright spark that Tony Bellew.
His logic is Everton admitted their guilt but shouldn't be punished, but City who have strenuously denied any guilt should be.
Boxing is a very dangerous sport.
Also - is he too thick to realise this "but what about them" deflection is exactly what the PL, United and Dippers want?
Stop playing into their hands you massive flange.
The **** has been spectacularly gaslit.
 
Completely agree. There is no evil Mr.Big type mastermind like in a film. We used to get notes from the boss about what he wanted to achieve but he wouldn't know every single step of the detail in every area, that's where the rest of the staff came in. e g tax, legal, finance , treasury point
As an aside, I also think that might partly be why scruffy Jim is a bit more sympathetic because he has had a Company himself and knows its the staff who do the day to day work
So 100% to me an email is just the original idea, provided it's not doctored of course
That's how I remember it in the engineering sector.
Brainstorming meetings with everyone's opinion grouped then into about 3 or 4 lists.
Each discussed especially the non obvious ones ie out of the box methods.
The same thing happened at finance level with options to fund say a new CNC machine so that budgets could be set to match depreciation allowances to enable profit / loss to be measured almost on a daily basis.

I can see not only how written submissions on every detail can occur and whilst all are taken into consideration they are probably not actioned.
I can also see why City have refused to communicate all info because this would inform our enemies how our top to bottom operations work.

Incidentally, dare I suggest that the current legal process is being criticised for the same time consuming pedantic approach used in other industries when discussing profitable manufacturing.
 
Yup. We've gone from everyone's 2nd team 20-odd years ago, occasionally giving the rags a bloody nose, recognised for our fiercely loyal fans and the true Mancunian club. To everyone's most hated club, recognised for our passive acceptance of an abhorrent regime and a fanbase of tourists.

34 years and we're still here to 115 charges and we're still here.

Yup, still fucking here...and we'll still be here when these cunts are still wailing at the injustice of ickle City crashing the redshirt party.

So suck it up buttercup.

Fuck 'em all and Up the fucking Blues.
Love this post
 
It's really quite strange that all of these football fans were caught completely by surprise by the corruption of the FFP system, 14 years after it was implemented against City.
Actually many City fans have not yet wigged that Sky and BBC are biased against us. They believe the media.

My brother is a season ticket holder but falls into the above category.
Stefan is educating those who choose to watch TS the rest of us rely on BM.
 
Actually many City fans have not yet wigged that Sky and BBC are biased against us. They believe the media.

My brother is a season ticket holder but falls into the above category.
Stefan is educating those who choose to watch TS the rest of us rely on BM.
Good Lord.....rely on BM for facts. You've have to very, very carefully choose your 'facts' on BM.

I like this thread for some of it's insights into FFP but my life the rest of the place is full of lunatics......
 
You mean like John Thompson's character in The Gentlemen?

Personally, If I were Mansour... being friendly with governments who have access to people with particular 'cyber' skills... the kind that make Rui Pinto look like a novice, then I'd have been hacking every fucker since the leaks years ago and had enough shit on everyone to put them away for years!
Our owners and chairman are gentlemen and would never stoop so low, more’s the pity.
 

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