Middle East Conflict

robbieh said:
Doesn't surprise me. It they wanted to deliver food there were easier ways to do it.

Always thought it was being built to evacuate Palestinians to somewhere else. Maybe Rwanda would be interested
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Netanyahu has hinted at precisely that. I think it's long term purpose is to facilitate the extraction of natural resources.... once they have extracted the population.
 
Talking of different mechanisms for de-population there is an interesting claim in here. The 2 countries hosting 'real estate sales', in other words encouraging more settlement on illegally occupied land, are simultaneously encouraging Palestinians to move in the opposite direction. The USA and primarily Canada.


 
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blueinsa said:
You have no answers Vic.

Seriousness isn’t being done on this thread and never will be.

Hamas and Hezbollah need to go, as does Netanyahu and future right wing Israeli governments but so too does the Iranian regime and the Islamists in the region who will never stop wanting an end to Israel as a state.
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And "the Iranian regime has to go" is a serious comment? How do you propose to do that?
 
blueinsa said:
So other than Israel has to give everything up, you really have no clue if that leads to peace or any other real ideas Vic?

What would you do with Iran who are obviously bank rolling and arming its proxies against Israel and its citizens? The Islamist regime is adamant that the state of Israel can not exist at all. Do you agree with that sentiment? If not, how do you expect Israel to deal with a threat like that when that threat is actively being pursued via organisations like Hamas and Hezbollah?
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And I'll go back to this. I cited all the things Israel has done and is doing against international law and you think that means it "has to give everything up". But you think your posts are serious.
 
robbieh said:
South Africa is still South Africa despite a power shift from white to black.

What exactly is it about Israel that makes it different?
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Clue is in “from the river to the sea” one state solution and that means whatever it becomes is no longer Israel, unlike South Africa but you know that.
 
Palerider said:
The 7th of October and all those rapes, murders, kidnappings, beheadings etc did not happen or particularly the babies in ovens?
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The 7th of October happened and atrocities and war crimes were committed. The wilder claims have turned out to be bullshit or at least the evidence to support them is flimsy or non existent.
This was released yesterday judge for yourself how credible some of the claims are.

 
Ok, I'll accept that definitive evidence for 'babies in ovens' is not present. I'll repost (think my response was deleted) with 'atrocities and war crimes' as a replacement.
 
Vic said:
Melanie Phillips enjoys this. I suspect one or two on here do too, or at least justify it.
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Aren't you the one that used the word 'context' to justify the atrocities and war crimes committed by the Palestinians on October 7th?
 
blueinsa said:
Has it always had an Islamist government like todays Vic?
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No. Britain helped install the Shah's dynasty then Britain and the US turned it into a dictatorship. I don't think "Islamist" had been invented when the Shah was ousted in the Revolution.

Do you really not do history?
 
blueinsa said:
Clue is in “from the river to the sea” one state solution and that means whatever it becomes is no longer Israel, unlike South Africa but you know that.
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Mate you're not going to get anywhere on here. This thread is about polarisation and political identity, nobody is interested in peace, it's all about hate and anger. You'll get quoted a pointless selective history lesson for the last 80 years despite the fact that basically anything about that land can be argued over the last 2000 years.

I've said on here that Hamas should surrender because that would immediately end the violence but it's amazing how barely any of those who post relentlessly every single day never agree. At the end of the day these people want this war to continue, they're the kind of nutters who supported the Yemeni Houthis bombing us. You have to really question whether they're actually bothered about the Palestinians or whether they're more bothered about maintaining resistance of all forms against Israel and the west.

Let's face it, in Gaza there will only be one winner and a prolonged war does not suit the Palestinians in any shape or form. Therefore the best thing that can happen to the Palestinians is for Hamas to surrender. If Hamas surrenders then the political and diplomatic voice for something like a two state solution grows much louder. At the moment there is never going to be talk of such a solution whilst Israel's existence is under attack.

The IRA used bombs and bullets but ultimately achieved very little through resistance however they did it anyway and that's what set them aside as a terrorist organisation. Terrorist organisations tend not to achieve peace, peace is brought by a political process that comes after the terrorism stops.
 
Vic said:
No. Britain helped install the Shah's dynasty then Britain and the US turned it into a dictatorship. I don't think "Islamist" had been invented when the Shah was ousted in the Revolution.

Do you really not do history?
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Impossible to discuss this Vic when you’re desperately trying to deflect and sound intelligent yet just come across as insincere.

I will leave you and others to it.
 
inbetween said:
Mate you're not going to get anywhere on here. This thread is about polarisation and political identity, nobody is interested in peace, it's all about hate and anger. You'll get quoted a pointless selective history lesson for the last 80 years despite the fact that basically anything about that land can be argued over the last 2000 years.

I've said on here that Hamas should surrender because that would immediately end the violence but it's amazing how barely any of those who post relentlessly every single day never agree. At the end of the day these people want this war to continue, they're the kind of nutters who supported the Yemeni Houthis bombing us. You have to really question whether they're actually bothered about the Palestinians or whether they're more bothered about maintaining resistance of all forms against Israel and the west.

Let's face it, in Gaza there will only be one winner and a prolonged war does not suit the Palestinians in any shape or form. Therefore the best thing that can happen to the Palestinians is for Hamas to surrender. If Hamas surrenders then the political and diplomatic voice for something like a two state solution grows much louder. At the moment there is never going to be talk of such a solution whilst Israel's existence is under attack.

The IRA used bombs and bullets but ultimately achieved very little through resistance however they did it anyway and that's what set them aside as a terrorist organisation. Terrorist organisations tend not to achieve peace, peace is brought by a political process that comes after the terrorism stops.
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Being a supporter of peace nowadays, being in the middle, seeing both sides, etc etc, iv found everyone hates you for it. So polarised. Need a war to purge it all.
 
inbetween said:
Mate you're not going to get anywhere on here. This thread is about polarisation and political identity, nobody is interested in peace, it's all about hate and anger. You'll get quoted a pointless selective history lesson for the last 80 years despite the fact that basically anything about that land can be argued over the last 2000 years.

I've said on here that Hamas should surrender because that would immediately end the violence but it's amazing how barely any of those who post relentlessly every single day never agree. At the end of the day these people want this war to continue, they're the kind of nutters who supported the Yemeni Houthis bombing us. You have to really question whether they're actually bothered about the Palestinians or whether they're more bothered about maintaining resistance of all forms against Israel and the west.

Let's face it, in Gaza there will only be one winner and a prolonged war does not suit the Palestinians in any shape or form. Therefore the best thing that can happen to the Palestinians is for Hamas to surrender. If Hamas surrenders then the political and diplomatic voice for something like a two state solution grows much louder. At the moment there is never going to be talk of such a solution whilst Israel's existence is under attack.

The IRA used bombs and bullets but ultimately achieved very little through resistance however they did it anyway and that's what set them aside as a terrorist organisation. Terrorist organisations tend not to achieve peace, peace is brought by a political process that comes after the terrorism stops.
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They surrendered, what do they “win”?

 
Over 30,000 deaths, hundreds of thousands displaced, civilian infrastructure all but wiped out, forced starvation and no end in sight to the utter barbarity ..... yet 6 months on some still can't get beyond this.

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