Middle East Conflict

[Vic]

Impossible to discuss this Vic when you’re desperately trying to deflect and sound intelligent yet just come across as insincere.

I will leave you and others to it.

Fine. Don't respond then when I say that's a strange response to a straight answer to your question.

 

[robbieh]

Mate you're not going to get anywhere on here. This thread is about polarisation and political identity, nobody is interested in peace, it's all about hate and anger. You'll get quoted a pointless selective history lesson for the last 80 years despite the fact that basically anything about that land can be argued over the last 2000 years.

I've said on here that Hamas should surrender because that would immediately end the violence but it's amazing how barely any of those who post relentlessly every single day never agree. At the end of the day these people want this war to continue, they're the kind of nutters who supported the Yemeni Houthis bombing us. You have to really question whether they're actually bothered about the Palestinians or whether they're more bothered about maintaining resistance of all forms against Israel and the west.

Let's face it, in Gaza there will only be one winner and a prolonged war does not suit the Palestinians in any shape or form. Therefore the best thing that can happen to the Palestinians is for Hamas to surrender. If Hamas surrenders then the political and diplomatic voice for something like a two state solution grows much louder. At the moment there is never going to be talk of such a solution whilst Israel's existence is under attack.

The IRA used bombs and bullets but ultimately achieved very little through resistance however they did it anyway and that's what set them aside as a terrorist organisation. Terrorist organisations tend not to achieve peace, peace is brought by a political process that comes after the terrorism stops.

Firstly there's a huge difference in looking at recent history rather than your argument that 2000 years ago is in anyway relevant.

Secondly you inadvertently allude to the big problem. Quote 'resistance of all forms against Israel and the West'

Israel is a european plant growing in middle eastern soil. And has thus not been accepted by it's neighbours.

Thirdly I don't think 'the nutters' on here wants this tragedy to carry on any longer than you do.

 

[BayernMan]

 

[The blue phantom]

So it's fairly certain now that the Israelis are Starving a Million an Half Palestinians to wipe them out. It's just mind boggling that the world is just watching on. What pure Evil bastards they are.

 

[Vic]

Aren't you the one that used the word 'context' to justify the atrocities and war crimes committed by the Palestinians on October 7th?

Has anyone on the thread said anything to justify October 7th?

This sort of nonsense helps no-one.

 

[Postman Pep]

 

[bluethrunthru]

Imagine if you put an old clip of a WW2 SS Officer expressing those views about Warsaw on any platform on line you'd be the subject of a pile on. Question - what would the difference between the two be?

 

[Don Karleone]

Spoiler: Graphic

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

If that is real then it’s absolutely disgusting. What is it, revenge for what Germany did?

In my mind, there is very little difference.

 

[bluethrunthru]

If that is real then it’s absolutely disgusting. What is it, revenge for what Germany did?

In my mind, there is very little difference.

No - its not what Germany did its what the Nazi's did in the context you are referring to - the difference is important. But yes that is modern day echoes of what would have been said back then.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

No - its not what Germany did its what the Nazi's did in the context you are referring to - the difference is important. But yes that is modern day echoes of what would have been said back then.

You could say that the government and the IDF are the Nazi’s, the Israel people and German people are the ones on the side.

Abhorrent.

 

[bluethrunthru]

You could say that the government and the IDF are the Nazi’s, the Israel people and German people are the ones on the side.

Abhorrent.

Of course post these events no Israeli citizens will know what had been going on ..........

 

[robbieh]

This was a reply to an article written in Haaretz and thought it sums up the situation well.....
It is not just the younger generation to reassess its view of Israel. The genocide committed by Israel against the people of Gaza is clear.
As Jews, we suffer collective trauma from the holocaust that in no way excuses collective punishment, starvation, destruction of the medical system, relentless bombardment of Palestinian civilians, detention and torture of civilians including doctors, evacuation of apartment buildings only to tie up and murder male occupants.
While I understand the motivation for safety and the desire for a Jewish state in a post holocaust world, the founding of Israel was a catastrophe for the Palestinians and a Faustian bargain for Jews. Israel is now an apartheid state with Palestinians confined to smaller and smaller zones of the occupied West Bank, exposed to harassment and killings, and more than 2 million people under siege in Gaza. While Friedman may reject the idea of one state, Israel/Palestine is in fact a de facto single state.

 

[KS55]

You have no answers Vic.

Seriousness isn’t being done on this thread and never will be.

Hamas and Hezbollah need to go, as does Netanyahu and future right wing Israeli governments but so too does the Iranian regime and the Islamists in the region who will never stop wanting an end to Israel as a state.

Looks like Israel will need to bomb Iran back to the Stone Age.

 

[KS55]

Doesn't surprise me. It they wanted to deliver food there were easier ways to do it.

Always thought it was being built to evacuate Palestinians to somewhere else. Maybe Rwanda would be interested

After the Balfour Declaration many British politicians favoured East Africa as a jewish homeland. Not anti semitic at all, honest.

 

[KS55]

That one state solution means the end of the state of Israel.

That is never happening.

So why does Israel favour a one state solution based on the whole of the ancient land of Israel?

 

[KS55]

Imagine if you put an old clip of a WW2 SS Officer expressing those views about Warsaw on any platform on line you'd be the subject of a pile on. Question - what would the difference between the two be?

Careful. Under our gov’s new hate crime definition, comparing Israel to the Nazis is a crime.

 

[Palerider]

Has anyone on the thread said anything to justify October 7th?

This sort of nonsense helps no-one.

So you agree, in principle at least, that Israel, as the victim of October 7th, has the right to seek justice and that trying to capture/eliminate Hamas is totally justified (in principle, we do not need to agree on the method). You must also agree then that the way out of this mess is for everybody on the side of the innocents to call for Hamas, the perpetrators of 7th October, to surrender and give back the kidnapped Israelis?

 

[domalino]

 

[Palerider]

So why does Israel favour a one state solution based on the whole of the ancient land of Israel?

From a simple search on the Internet.

"One-state debate since 1999, According to the same poll, 66% of Jewish Israelis preferred the two-state solution. Some Israeli government spokespeople have also proposed that Palestinian-majority areas of Israel, such as the area around Umm el-Fahm, be annexed to the new Palestinian state."