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Season Tickets - 2024/25
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We only need to look at the ticket prices on our USA pre season tour where we are heading match ticket price over here
I think that’s relative to what American sports fans pay for American Football, Basketball, baseball, etc, matches.
You also have to factor in the opportunity of seeing a PL team live instead of watching them on the TV.
Wages and disposable income is higher in America amongst the middle classes and especially amongst the rich.
In general Americans will pay what they have to to watch a PL team they follow, and a match involving a PL team/s, especially the big PL teams that now include City.
The prices yanks pay to watch sports over there is massively skewed, an mlb baseball team will play 81 home games where as an nfl team might play 8. An nba team will play a minimum of 41. The nfl ties are considerably more expensive, I've watched the Yankees v red sox which is the top two team historically for £25, you can see an nba for similar but a high level nfl game in the regular season can be £250 for the cheapest seat. Classic supply and demand.I think that’s relative to what American sports fans pay for American Football, Basketball, baseball, etc, matches.
You also have to factor in the opportunity of seeing a PL team live instead of watching them on the TV.
Wages and disposable income is higher in America amongst the middle classes and especially amongst the rich.
In general Americans will pay what they have to to watch a PL team they follow, and a match involving a PL team/s, especially the big PL teams that now include City.
East Level 2
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Fans should have to pay to leave earlier than 90 minutes.I think we should be paid to attend!
pride in battle
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Why are you assuming a tourist, or day trippers,Sorry to read that. At least you know your seat will be sold as a match day ticket sale to a tourist or a day tripper instead of to you or to another legacy City fan who is desperate for a season ticket. :-( Tuff times for City’s legacy support.
He's got a real beef about City and tickets...So where are the flexi gold coming from, besides only a minority of Match day tickets go to tourists, most go to normal fans,some of which have been going longer than you have.
Some very interesting lines in this piece. Nice to know we're not being paranoid - and that we're not alone.
‘You look around the Kop and everybody is 40, 50, 60,’ Spirit of Shankly’s Paul Khan says. ‘There are hardly any kids getting into the game. This is every club, I worry about the future.’
‘The number of season tickets at the Etihad is 36,000 and that is only going to go down,’ a spokesman for City fan group 1894 said. ‘The only way City can beat Arsenal for matchday revenue is if there are no season tickets at all; 60,000 people paying £70 or £80 per ticket per game. That’s what some people at the top of the club want.’
Spurs upped their season tickets by an average of six per cent, the same as Arsenal and City. The OAP debacle brought banners during the defeat at Fulham – “Save Our Seniors” – and more are expected when Luton Town arrive in north London on Saturday.
‘Their business model creates criticism,’ Buhagiar adds. ‘It feels like a step backwards. We’ve worked out the six per cent makes them between £3-4million a year. They make that three or four times over from one Beyonce concert. Stop exploiting loyalty.’ The margins at other clubs are even smaller – raising the question of why clubs appear determined to alienate fans. City and Arsenal earned £2.4m for each Champions League group stage win this year, more per match than their ticket hikes for an entire season. Asked about City’s 100 per cent record in the competition, Pep Guardiola replied: ‘For (CEO) Ferran Soriano, for the money: he's so happy, that's for sure!’
That poverty line is much higher now. Football is an escape from that reality but if people are priced out of that then there is nothing to fall back on.’
Lenihan discusses how Aston Villa changed their number of price brackets from six to four, losing the cheapest two. She impresses an ‘annoyance’ at how Holte Enders are being ‘forced out of their seats’ for hospitality. ‘My mum and dad sit behind the dugouts and are fully expecting to be moved along for premium seats,’ she adds. ‘My dad’s said he just won’t go if that happens and he’s been going down for 50 years. It’s forcing people out to chase the money. I’ve got a few friends who just can’t afford it now.’
Profit and Sustainability rules have dominated this season and matchday revenue is somewhere executives can make gains in order to stay within the spending limits. Supplemented by a booming ‘tourist’ market, which in the cases of Tottenham’s South Korean groups – the club sell an estimated 2,000 Son Heung-min shirts a game – should be celebrated. Brighton can’t print enough Kaoru Mitoma kits. ‘We love the overseas fans,’ Buhagiar says. ‘But when Son goes, they’re going to go too. The club takes advantage of those supporters without a strategy. What happens when that player leaves?’
Studies by Visit Britain five years ago detailed that 1.5million tourist visits were football related, spending £1.4billion for the economy. The Etihad recorded 87,000 of those visits and that figure will have doubled or trebled since as their global appeal skyrockets. Anfield and Old Trafford were, at the time, over 200,000 each.
In what is framed as an attempt to offer choice to fans, City have introduced a flexi-gold ticket, which preserves a seat for a £150 membership fee and then gives the option of picking and choosing matches, paying full general admission prices. ‘The premium seems like it’s taking advantage of people,’ City Matters chair Alex Howell says. ‘At what point does the success on and off the pitch get passed to supporters?’
City, the Treble winners, posted record revenue and profits this year. ‘What a great opportunity it would have been to reward our loyal, long-standing season ticket holders with no increase,’ official supporters’ club chair Kevin Parker says. ‘Instead City has decided to ignore that – almost certainly knowing that the exact same fan base are so loyal they will renew despite the increase. This one will leave a bitter taste in the mouths of many.’
Why are you assuming a tourist, or day trippers,
He's got a real beef about City and tickets...
I'll tell you one day. I''ve got a very good example of that.
You only have to look around on a match day to see how our home support has changed, aided by the club and their insatiable drive to increase match day revenues by selling tickets to tourists and day tippers who may not support City. I've never seen anyone I know wearing a half and half scarf, especially for a Manchester derby.
Damned right I've got a beef. So have a lot of other City fans. Is that ok with you? Or should I not be arsed about the way tickets are now being sold, siphoned off, and no new season tickets are being made available by the club? Obviously you couldn't give a shit. That's your choice. Maybe I'm wrong about that?
Hopefully when the North stand is open and there are an additional 8000 seats to fill more legacy City fans will be able to buy those seats? And more season tickets, in whatever shape or form, will be made available for legacy City fans to buy.
And yes, I would put a legacy City fan in-front of a tourist or day tripper, who possibly doesn't support City, anytime when it comes to selling them tickets.
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Betterdeedthan red
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Yep local legacy fans should come first.I'll tell you one day. I''ve got a very good example of that.
You only have to look around on a match day to see how our home support has changed, aided by the club and their insatiable drive to increase match day revenues BY selling tickets to tourists and day tippers who may not support City. I've never seen anyone I know Wearing a half and half scarf, especially for a Manchester derby.
Damned right I've got a beef. So have a lot of other City fans. Is that ok with you? Or should I not be arsed about the way tickets are now being sold, siphoned off, and no new season tickets are being made available by the club? Obviously you counted give a shit. that's your choice. Maybe I wrong about that?
Hopefully when the North stand is open and there are an additional 8000 seats to fill, more local legacy fans will be able to buy those seats.#? And more season tickets, in whatever shape or form, will be made available for City fans to buy.
And yes, I would put a local legacy City fan in-front of a tourist or day tripper, who possibly doesn't support City, anytime when it comes to buying tickets.
But they mean fuck all to the club unfortunately.
I know I've how ever many home games left watching City this season.
Doubt I'll go ever again after that.
Sad really but its what the club wants
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According to Pep our support is unconditional regardless of ticket prices….
”On whether he understands fans being frustrated at a rise in season-ticket prices: "Absolutely. I know it's a sensitive issue but they will be with us. The people support us unconditionally."
”On whether he understands fans being frustrated at a rise in season-ticket prices: "Absolutely. I know it's a sensitive issue but they will be with us. The people support us unconditionally."
It's right to have a beef. Because it's not just about how supporters are treated it's about the club we care about. Businesses that get complacent run into trouble. It bears repeating - when we were kids the idea that people wouldn't be buying print newspapers, records or going to the cinema would have been unthinkable. Fashions change, something comes along to disrupt the business model and suddenly the party's over. The PL has to do more to recognise the fact this is not a country where living standards are rising fast. Many folk are going to be poorer than their parents' generation and there are many other distractions to compete for time over time and money than PL football. Even if you're doing alright, taxes are only going one way. There's already lots of kids who may never develop the habit of going. They'll play it, they'll listen to YouTubers chat shit about it, but they haven't developed the attention span to sit in a ground all afternoon. If you break a link between a club and a community, if you price people out and take their loyalty for granted, you don't have a product. Tourists don't want to sit in a ground looking at 60,000 other tourists and they have lots of other things to spend their money on. Captive audiences who provide a recurring income should be cherished.I'll tell you one day. I''ve got a very good example of that.
You only have to look around on a match day to see how our home support has changed, aided by the club and their insatiable drive to increase match day revenues by selling tickets to tourists and day tippers who may not support City. I've never seen anyone I know wearing a half and half scarf, especially for a Manchester derby.
Damned right I've got a beef. So have a lot of other City fans. Is that ok with you? Or should I not be arsed about the way tickets are now being sold, siphoned off, and no new season tickets are being made available by the club? Obviously you couldn't give a shit. That's your choice. Maybe I'm wrong about that?
Hopefully when the North stand is open and there are an additional 8000 seats to fill more legacy City fans will be able to buy those seats? And more season tickets, in whatever shape or form, will be made available for legacy City fans to buy.
And yes, I would put a legacy City fan in-front of a tourist or day tripper, who possibly doesn't support City, anytime when it comes to selling them tickets.
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SiMCFC
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According to Pep our support is unconditional regardless of ticket prices….
”On whether he understands fans being frustrated at a rise in season-ticket prices: "Absolutely. I know it's a sensitive issue but they will be with us. The people support us unconditionally."
I do hope that's been taken out of context again or it's just another stupid comment from him regarding fans imo. Yes, we will always support the team unconditionally but we won't be bloody there if we can't afford it, on my list of priorities City comes after feeding my kids and keeping our house, it's an expensive hobby nowadays.
It's easy to say that sort of thing when your salary is a huge amount, I'm quite lucky and I still struggle but I bet a large percentage of our core support don't earn the national average wage wise, not many do in the North.
pride in battle
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just enjoy the fucking ride, and be thankful we do have tourists because if we didn't it would mean we are shit...I know which I would choose.I'll tell you one day. I''ve got a very good example of that.
You only have to look around on a match day to see how our home support has changed, aided by the club and their insatiable drive to increase match day revenues by selling tickets to tourists and day tippers who may not support City. I've never seen anyone I know wearing a half and half scarf, especially for a Manchester derby.
Damned right I've got a beef. So have a lot of other City fans. Is that ok with you? Or should I not be arsed about the way tickets are now being sold, siphoned off, and no new season tickets are being made available by the club? Obviously you couldn't give a shit. That's your choice. Maybe I'm wrong about that?
Hopefully when the North stand is open and there are an additional 8000 seats to fill more legacy City fans will be able to buy those seats? And more season tickets, in whatever shape or form, will be made available for legacy City fans to buy.
And yes, I would put a legacy City fan in-front of a tourist or day tripper, who possibly doesn't support City, anytime when it comes to selling them tickets.
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So 40% of season card holders don’t go to low profile midweek games (Burnley at home). City Matters revelation from Ian Cheeseman’s podcast.No wonder City are trying to look at alternatives including flexi gold. It’s not a panacea but let’s see how it goes.
In addition, the stats revealed that only about 5K of the 100k match day members went to more than a few CL games in the last couple of years. The stats indicate that it wasn’t just tourists at last season’s Real Madrid semi final!
Other interesting info included there being 36,500 season card holders.
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I was unable to travel that particular midweek match and did list my ticket for the exchange but there were no takers.
Travel from Edinburgh has been a nightmare for the past two seasons with Avanti and TPE consistently cancelling trains or not listing tickets in advance that they think may be cancelled. It is usually far better to travel East Coast via York.
If the club cannot sell out for rearranged mid-week matches against less attractive opposition, it is clear that the pricing structure is all wrong. My ticket was no doubt listed at £65 as opposed to the £19 I would have received from the exchange had it sold.
The above Forever Blue made no sense to me at all. Only 5,000 members attended a Champions League match and many members hadn't attended a match at all. Why do people buy a membership if they don't intend to go to a match?
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Renewed this will be my 35th consecutive year as a season ticket holder & my 50th season attending games at Gods own FC
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Time passes quickly eh mate..I renewed and it's my 50th season of having a season ticket..left school in 73 and got a season ticket the following year so I have seen some great times and some shit times but now we are seeing the best of times.Renewed this will be my 35th consecutive year as a season ticket holder & my 50th season attending games at Gods own FC
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Amazing all those stats nearly down to what each member has for breakfast and they still can’t tell us how many people are in each loyalty points bandSo 40% of season card holders don’t go to low profile midweek games (Burnley at home). City Matters revelation from Ian Cheeseman’s podcast.No wonder City are trying to look at alternatives including flexi gold. It’s not a panacea but let’s see how it goes.
In addition, the stats revealed that only about 5K of the 100k match day members went to more than a few CL games in the last couple of years. The stats indicate that it wasn’t just tourists at last season’s Real Madrid semi final!
Other interesting info included there being 36,500 season card holders.
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This is what I find curious about Flexi-Gold. It's better than nowt for a fan...but from the club's perspective I don't see how it deals with the problem of people snubbing the less glam fixtures. What's to stop someone paying £150 to reserve a seat for Rags, Scouse, Arse, Spuds, Chelsea, throw in Brighton, Fulham, Newcastle, Villa, West Ham...and then relisting the rest...at least Silver bundled up the Cat B and C fixturesSo 40% of season card holders don’t go to low profile midweek games (Burnley at home). City Matters revelation from Ian Cheeseman’s podcast.No wonder City are trying to look at alternatives including flexi gold. It’s not a panacea but let’s see how it goes.
In addition, the stats revealed that only about 5K of the 100k match day members went to more than a few CL games in the last couple of years. The stats indicate that it wasn’t just tourists at last season’s Real Madrid semi final!
Other interesting info included there being 36,500 season card holders.
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I have not checked back but IIRC only 5K had attended a few or more. That chimes to an extent with the Madrid game selling out to fans who had been to three games in the last year or two. Some people just want to be associated with City and don’t go to a game. Others might make a game every couple of years. Thousands buy off the Face Value Facebook pages.I was unable to travel that particular midweek match and did list my ticket for the exchange but there were no takers.
Travel from Edinburgh has been a nightmare for the past two seasons with Avanti and TPE consistently cancelling trains or not listing tickets in advance that they think may be cancelled. It is usually far better to travel East Coast via York.
If the club cannot sell out for rearranged mid-week matches against less attractive opposition, it is clear that the pricing structure is all wrong. My ticket was no doubt listed at £65 as opposed to the £19 I would have received from the exchange had it sold.
The above Forever Blue made no sense to me at all. Only 5,000 members attended a Champions League match and many members hadn't attended a match at all. Why do people buy a membership if they don't intend to go to a match?
The prices were wrong for the Burnley game but we’ve also got lots of season card holders who don’t treat the season card as such. I don’t mind as long at they try to pass on the seat or list it on the exchange.
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That’s how I see it too. It doesn’t solve that problem. Maybe it gives a bit more latitude to reduce match day prices for less attractive games but I’m not convinced about that either.This is what I find curious about Flexi-Gold. It's better than nowt for a fan...but from the club's perspective I don't see how it deals with the problem of people snubbing the less glam fixtures. What's to stop someone paying £150 to reserve a seat for Rags, Scouse, Arse, Spuds, Chelsea, throw in Brighton, Fulham, Newcastle, Villa, West Ham...and then relisting the rest...at least Silver bundled up the Cat B and C fixtures
I’ve said this before but the Club seems to spent a lot of time bending to the will of season card holders who don’t go to that many games. Maybe they could recognise the people who go to every home game for once.
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