Lucas Paquetá

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Dribble said:
Not quite. He told Pep he wanted more game time or to go out on loan. Pep told him to get his head down & earn his place, or the only way he'd be leaving is permanently, so he left.
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I suppose Palmer wanted to be a big fish in a small pond, rather than vice versa. As good as he's been, Palmer wouldn't start the big games for us over Bernardo.

Fair play as he's been Chelsea's best player this season by a large margin, albeit that doesn't say much given their mid-table form.

I actually view it as a massive positive that he's shining at Chelsea. Young english talents will see the success stories of Palmer and Foden as reasons to come play for our academy. And we can put higher price tags on players coming out of our academy. It's good for business.
 
JTBlue1999 said:
I suppose Palmer wanted to be a big fish in a small pond, rather than vice versa. As good as he's been, Palmer wouldn't start the big games for us over Bernardo.

Fair play as he's been Chelsea's best player this season by a large margin, albeit that doesn't say much given their mid-table form.

I actually view it as a massive positive that he's shining at Chelsea. Young english talents will see the success stories of Palmer and Foden as reasons to come play for our academy. And we can put higher price tags on players coming out of our academy. It's good for business.
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Firstly fair play to Palmer because he’s gone there and delivered. He wasn’t given chances at City so was a risk but he’s shown his potential.

I think for City his character was one reason we were happy to see him leave/not block a move. If he was told Mahrez was going so he’d get more time but he’d have to fight for it and he still wanted to leave he doesn’t have the mentality to play for City. Look at Foden coming through the ranks or even Stones when it wasn’t going his way and look at them now.

Similar with Phillips he didn’t have the mental strength to be at a club like City in my opinion. It’s not a big criticism as many players couldn’t handle the pressure and ruthlessness which Pep has created.

Agree though it is good for City. Although also the same summer we sold Palmer we got 19m for Trafford. More of this please.
 
Haaland94 said:
Wirtz is a creative type, more like KDB, IMO. Bernardo, for me, is more like Paqueta in terms of his work-rate and defensive and offensive contributions.
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Why do we act like work rate is something either a player does or does not have, its purely down to willingness to run.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
It’s also Pep’s first prerequisite in players. They don’t run? They don’t play.
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I have a coaching license for yank football, so I feel somewhat qualified to talk about this.
effort(basically what workrate is, can be taught, and is more a personality thing rather than a physical quality that you either have or dont.
 
PhillyBasedBlue said:
Why do we act like work rate is something either a player does or does not have, its purely down to willingness to run.
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Let me rephrase. For me, Bernardo or Paqueta demonstrate an absolute top-level workrate in vast majority of matches, demonstrating higher levels of consistency in the said workrate than most of the team. Obviously, everyone works hard or they wouldn't be here. For me, some work extra hard, thus contributing to more areas of the game. For example, both defensively and offensively extensively, and not simply prioritizing one over the other like players with more one-sided (attacking or defending) profiles. Someone like Erling Haaland is incredible at what he does, and probably better at what his does than Bernardo and his skillset, but Erling doesn't work as hard, IMO.
 
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PhillyBasedBlue said:
I have a coaching license for yank football, so I feel somewhat qualified to talk about this.
effort(basically what workrate is, can be taught, and is more a personality thing rather than a physical quality that you either have or dont.
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Do you think you could get Ederson to enjoy running?
 
PhillyBasedBlue said:
I have a coaching license for yank football, so I feel somewhat qualified to talk about this.
effort(basically what workrate is, can be taught, and is more a personality thing rather than a physical quality that you either have or dont.
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You can teach anything to a degree but for me workrate/passion is something you're born with.

The situation with Phillips was a classic case of a player even after a serious injury and disastrous start to his career with us that would not "bust a gut" when given a chance, for me that was weird and a very bad sign.

Bernardo Silva is one of the most talented players in world football but also is one of the most committed footballers I have ever witnessed at ANY level.The work rate and attitude of that man is simply incredible.

Paquetta reminds me a lot of Bernardo in terms of fantastic natural ability but also a player who's workrate and attitude can never be questioned.
 
Paqueta vs Wirtz today. Let's see who performs better.
 
Keeper! said:
You can teach anything to a degree but for me workrate/passion is something you're born with.

The situation with Phillips was a classic case of a player even after a serious injury and disastrous start to his career with us that would not "bust a gut" when given a chance, for me that was weird and a very bad sign.

Bernardo Silva is one of the most talented players in world football but also is one of the most committed footballers I have ever witnessed at ANY level.The work rate and attitude of that man is simply incredible.

Paquetta reminds me a lot of Bernardo in terms of fantastic natural ability but also a player who's workrate and attitude can never be questioned.
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I agree with your opinion but at the same time I 100% agree with PBB that players can learn to increase their desire to put the work in. The obvious method is through rewarding players with playing time which should always be a big motivator. However, in cases where that does not work it's time to say bye bye. Kalvin did become such an example. I kept waiting for him to come on like his ass was on fire when given a chance but instead he became lamer by the appearance. Strange that one...
 
I would give Paqueta a wide berth , he has an attitude problem which is not suited to the world and European champions. Tonight’s game against Leverkusen is a case in point, he looks like he could be having an early bath
 
Having watched him pretty closely for the last several months I think he would be a good fit for us. Confident in possession and tight spaces, wants to be constructive every time. There is a difference to having options with us than in a Moyes team.
 
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