Rishi Sunak

bobbyowenquiff said:
Where is the evidence that tobacco usage will decline? That hasnt happened with cocaine and cannabis. Surely it will lead to a huge black market and more profits for organised crime gangs. It will just make smoking more attractive to rebellious teenagers. Personally I hate smoking but this sounds like another pathetic political soundbite. I would support more price hikes for cigarettes and a sugar tax though.
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Can you buy better tasting and less smelly cannabis and cocaine?

If they did, the original forms would decrease in popularity, in my opinion.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Can you buy better tasting and less smelly cannabis and cocaine?

If they did, the original forms would decrease in popularity, in my opinion.
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I don't really know but an increasing number of countries, even places like Canada, have legalised (and taxed) cannabis use. Recently the Germans decriminalised it. We seem to be going in the opposite direction. What I do know from personal experience is that a lot of senior police officers believe our prohibitive drugs policy is making the situation worse and fuelling crime. But very few of them will speak out publically.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
I don't really know but an increasing number of countries, even places like Canada, have legalised (and taxed) cannabis use. Recently the Germans decriminalised it. We seem to be going in the opposite direction. What I do know from personal experience is that a lot of senior police officers believe our prohibitive drugs policy is making the situation worse and fuelling crime. But very few of them will speak out publically.
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I’d actually be quite pro legalising drugs and taxing their use, whilst controlling quality.

I doubt that nicotine addiction will fall much, but the way it is delivered will if it tastes and smells better.

I’d assume it’d be the same for cannabis too, but could be wrong.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
I’d actually be quite pro legalising drugs and taxing their use, whilst controlling quality.

I doubt that nicotine addiction will fall much, but the way it is delivered will if it tastes and smells better.

I’d assume it’d be the same for cannabis too, but could be wrong.
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It's a good debate but don't expect any of our politicians to discuss this properly in General Election year. Are the police going to start shutting shops down and arresting teenagers who are one day too old to buy cigarettes under this new law? Who is going to pay for the extra police and lawyers? Nothing will happen just like all this other crazy unworkable and unenforceable legislation. Meanwhile they still haven't banned buildings with flammable cladding like Grenville Towers or compensated the contaminated blood victims or the sub-postmasters or sorted out the economy. This is just sheer madness.
 
Sunak only "won " tonight with votes from other Party's MP's - 57 of his MP's voted against and 106 abstained. Way more than his majority. Yes it shows he is weak but more importantly he has set up Starmer for tomorrows PMQ's so he can take another pummelling
 
Hard not to get in a nonsensical pickle with stuff like this, smoking and vaping shunned but smoking cannabis is on the up. I can understand trying to get rid of all of them or keeping all of them. But picking and choosing which should and shouldn't be banned don't make a lot of sense.
 
hilts said:
Hard not to get in a nonsensical pickle with stuff like this, smoking and vaping shunned but smoking cannabis is on the up. I can understand trying to get rid of all of them or keeping all of them. But picking and choosing which should and shouldn't be banned don't make a lot of sense.
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I suspect it’s for use later on.

Can just see Boris’s child blathering as opposition Tory leader in 2035 wittering on about the Tories banning smoking because they’re the party of healthcare.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
I suspect it’s for use later on.

Can just see Boris’s child blathering as opposition Tory leader in 2035 wittering on about the Tories banning smoking because they’re the party of healthcare.
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On the news smoking costs the NHS 3bn a year but brings in 10bn in tax, but(guessing shit here we come) it's predicted it costs business 17bn a year. Does it fuck.

Anyhow let's look at super processed food that's causes cancer, other food that causes diabetes, obesity and heart problems. What about the air we breathe and the shite in that.

Absolute bollocks and unless I have read it wrong some ages can smoke and some can't?

Sounds practical.
 
hilts said:
On the news smoking costs the NHS 3bn a year but brings in 10bn in tax, but(guessing shit here we come) it's predicted it costs business 17bn a year. Does it fuck.

Anyhow let's look at super processed food that's causes cancer, other food that causes diabetes, obesity and heart problems. What about the air we breathe and the shite in that.

Absolute bollocks and unless I have read it wrong some ages can smoke and some can't?

Sounds practical.
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Isn’t it just trying to remove tobacco products, rather than banning it altogether?

The tax angle is an interesting one though.

I don’t disagree with your sentiment and would look at making cheap food less unhealthy too.

The age thing just means anyone born in 2009 onwards should never get access to tobacco products. Should being the operative word.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Isn’t it just trying to remove tobacco products, rather than banning it altogether?

The tax angle is an interesting one though.

I don’t disagree with your sentiment and would look at making cheap food less unhealthy too.

The age thing just means anyone born in 2009 onwards should never get access to tobacco products. Should being the operative word.
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Would that work in practice?
Imagine someone born in 2010 going into a shop in 2040 and asking for a pack of cigs and being told they can't because they aren't old enough.
 
117 M34 said:
Would that work in practice?
Imagine someone born in 2010 going into a shop in 2040 and asking for a pack of cigs and being told they can't because they aren't old enough.
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It wouldn’t be about their age then and if it had worked, they wouldn’t want to go and buy them.

Under the plan, they would never be able to buy cigarettes ever.

Whether it works in real life, we shall either see or we won’t as it‘ll likely get shelved like most of these schemes.
 
117 M34 said:
Would that work in practice?
Imagine someone born in 2010 going into a shop in 2040 and asking for a pack of cigs and being told they can't because they aren't old enough.
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do you honestly think that a 30 year old in 2040 who has no peers who smoke and all his elderly relative who smoked and are dead due to smoking related illnesses will go to a shop because they think the thing they really need to do is buy a pack of cigs @£25 - £30 by then? Also bear in mind they will be much harder to come by in those circumstances - I can't see supermarkets keeping their ciggie counters open as tumbleweed blows through waiting for the occasional customer.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Isn’t it just trying to remove tobacco products, rather than banning it altogether?

The tax angle is an interesting one though.

I don’t disagree with your sentiment and would look at making cheap food less unhealthy too.

The age thing just means anyone born in 2009 onwards should never get access to tobacco products. Should being the operative word.
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It's an odd concept in the future 63 year old puffing away 62 year old old says give us a fag mate, sorry laddy you're too young.
 
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