VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

[Stephen230]

The fans Debite VAR every week and hate it, But the Club's don't seem to do anything about it ? Why don't the clubs say No we are not playing under VAR rules anymore and refuse to play, If all 20 clubs say NO then I don't see what the Premier League could do other than Change the rules,

Dont say the Premier League can not change the rules in mid-season or with 10 games to play, Because Covid-19 rules changed overnight, If all the Clubs are saying we are not playing until something is sorted out then mark my words the Premier League will sort it out pretty quick

The answer as to why clubs aren’t campaigning to get rid of VAR, is probably linked to why just about every league that still hasn’t got it, are forever complaining about the lack of it.

The Scottish Prem. teams were forever banging on about it in the years between England and Scotland introducing it.

I watch very little ladies football but twice this season I’ve stumbled across a manager in the Women’s Premier League crying out for VAR.

You have to assume they are watching what’s going on in the Premier League.

The only conclusion you can draw from that is despite all its faults, the clubs prefer having it to not having it.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

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Mind you, the IFAB VAR protocol says very clearly, and IFAB have reiterated many times, that on-field offside decisions should only be changed for clear and obvious errors. So it seems FIFA/ FA/ PL choose the parts they want to follow and the parts they don't want to follow.

They pick and choose what they release and follow.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Yes, it does eliminate the majority of mistakes.

Do you acceot that it can be used to manipulate results, like disallowing Coventrys 4th goal.

 

[Andy TheCatalyst Morrison]

‘It’s killed football’ - been hearing it for years. Footballs only become bigger and the standards got better.
Officiating was the only thing holding it back and that’s why VAR was bought in , painful and slow progress is the only way forward and of course there will be controversy and bad decisions along the way - makes me laugh Kaz and others tag me everytime there’s some VAR controversy as if that’s going change my opinion.

It’s like tagging anyone who doesn’t want VAR into every bad decisions made by officials if VAR wasn’t around.

You’re missing the point again. And didn’t answer my question about whether you attend games. Football might be bigger, and the standards are undoubtedly better. But the stadium experience of the match-going fan is very much worse because of VAR. That is the point that you consistently refuse to address

 

[bluenova]

The answer as to why clubs aren’t campaigning to get rid of VAR, is probably linked to why just about every league that still hasn’t got it, are forever complaining about the lack of it.

The Scottish Prem. teams were forever banging on about it in the years between England and Scotland introducing it.

I watch very little ladies football but twice this season I’ve stumbled across a manager in the Women’s Premier League crying out for VAR.

You have to assume they are watching what’s going on in the Premier League.

The only conclusion you can draw from that is despite all its faults, the clubs prefer having it to not having it.

It's odd that VAR now gets the blame for decisions they haven't made - even where it's a subjective call that not everyone agrees on.

Ref gives a penalty that some people don't agree with, but others think is fine, so VAR don't overturn. That's now reported as a "VAR controversy", when it would be argued over with or without VAR.

I think a lot of people have forgotten that most of the talking points on a program like MotD were refereeing incidents before VAR came in.

 

[Andy TheCatalyst Morrison]

It's odd that VAR now gets the blame for decisions they haven't made - even where it's a subjective call that not everyone agrees on.

Ref gives a penalty that some people don't agree with, but others think is fine, so VAR don't overturn. That's now reported as a "VAR controversy", when it would be argued over with or without VAR.

I think a lot of people have forgotten that most of the talking points on a program like MotD were refereeing incidents before VAR came in.

So we’re no better off. Exactly. And the fan experience is worse. So get rid.

 

[KentBlue]

It's got a lot worse since Webb became head of the refereeing dept. That disallowed Coventry goal has his duplicitous fingermarks over it.
It comes to something when Twattenburg himself personally contacted Webb about his suspicions of Atwell.

 

[dadnlad]

It's odd that VAR now gets the blame for decisions they haven't made - even where it's a subjective call that not everyone agrees on.

Ref gives a penalty that some people don't agree with, but others think is fine, so VAR don't overturn. That's now reported as a "VAR controversy", when it would be argued over with or without VAR.

I think a lot of people have forgotten that most of the talking points on a program like MotD were refereeing incidents before VAR came in.

MOTD one of the worst for highlighting what they wanted and tough for the rest

 

[bluenova]

So we’re no better off. Exactly. And the fan experience is worse. So get rid.

I don't think clubs care.

We're better off in terms of decisions being a little better. Certainly Salah, for one, has had to stop his phantom foul dives, and some of the more farcical offside decisions won't happen (remember when Spurs scored against us after Walker had been yards offside right in front of the assistant?).

I understand that for match day fans the situation is worse. I can imagine the feeling of Coventry fans yesterday was similar to how we felt against Spurs in the CL. I can see the argument that it doesn't balance out a few more correct decisions, but for the clubs it probably does.

 

[1961_vintage]

It's got a lot worse since Webb became head of the refereeing dept. That disallowed Coventry goal has his duplicitous fingermarks over it.
It comes to something when Twattenburg himself personally contacted Webb about his suspicions of Atwell.

These people have been manipulating match outcomes for a long, long time.

VAR is just the latest means for them to do so.

Its implementation has been deliberately shambolic because if it is withdrawn, their actions will of course continue but will be less obvious compared to what we can clearly see is happening today.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Webb! - Might as well ask Ferguson.
Legitimised match fixing imo.

 

[deano ou812]

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Mind you, the IFAB VAR protocol says very clearly, and IFAB have reiterated many times, that on-field offside decisions should only be changed for clear and obvious errors. So it seems FIFA/ FA/ PL choose the parts they want to follow and the parts they don't want to follow.

What a load of bollocks how can it work in rugby then,there is no need for multiple people looking at one decision..

 

[blueinsa]

Good on Forest imo, call the fucking cheats and cartel out and hopefully go some way of ridding us from the scourge on the game that is PiGMOB and its VAR.

 

[abu13]

I have been thinking about the Forest debacle yesterday, let me start by saying that i personally believe they had a strong case on all three penalties. At first glance the comment about the VAR official being a Luton fan sounds a little bit like sour grapes and there is a world of difference between someone being incompetent and someone being corrupt. But i then started to think how come the on field officials all failed to give penalties as well?, it wasn't a case that they gave the penalty and then VAR and the Luton Fan then overruled it.

So what exactly are Forest implying then?

How could the linesman, referee and VAR all fail to award at least one of the three penalty claims.

If they are making accusations of bias against them then I think they also need to question the motives of the on field officials as well.

If feels to me that by pointing at the VAR they indirectly question the motives of the on field officials as well.

 

[abu13]

I think there are a couple of changes that could be made that would clear up a lot of this mess. In my opinion I would make the changes below.

1. Offside decisions would only be made based on the head position of the players, fuck all this shoulders, knees, hips and feet bollocks.
2. The freeze frame should be from an image where the ball being played is still in contact with the persons body who is making the pass.
3. There should be clear daylight between the two players heads for the decision to be made, if not the advantage goes to the attacking side.

I am tempted to also allow the managers of each side to be allowed three VAR challenges per game, once they have used them then no more VAR checks will be allowed.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Yes, gutted for them, I would have loved Man Utd going out like that.

But if the tables were turned we’d all be pissing ourselves right ?

Joy and emptiness is all part of football, what if the lino flagged offside like prior VAR , or a ref awards Man Utd a last min penalty for a tussle in the box from a corner or loads of other examples that have always existed.

You know I have been a supporter of VAR. But that yesterday really really hit me. Maybe it’s how our officials use it. That was an absolute travesty. If that had been the rags I think I’m big enough to concede the unfairness of it. There was no justification to disallow that goal. Do we just put it down to human mistake/manipulation?

 

[meltonblue]

I get it because of the entire situation and personally I’ve never been a fan of VAR but I don’t really get why yesterday’s has caused so much uproar specifically. It’s a consequence of the decision people wanted by putting in VAR in the first place. Even if they’re marginal, they’re still offside and it’s less marginal than it was last season.

 

[Betterdeedthan red]

I have been thinking about the Forest debacle yesterday, let me start by saying that i personally believe they had a strong case on all three penalties. At first glance the comment about the VAR official being a Luton fan sounds a little bit like sour grapes and there is a world of difference between someone being incompetent and someone being corrupt. But i then started to think how come the on field officials all failed to give penalties as well?, it wasn't a case that they gave the penalty and then VAR and the Luton Fan then overruled it.

So what exactly are Forest implying then?

How could the linesman, referee and VAR all fail to award at least one of the three penalty claims.

If they are making accusations of bias against them then I think they also need to question the motives of the on field officials as well.

If feels to me that by pointing at the VAR they indirectly question the motives of the on field officials as well.

It'll be brushed under the carpet cos some ex bent bastard says it's all fine

 

[1961_vintage]

Good on Forest imo, call the fucking cheats and cartel out and hopefully go some way of ridding us from the scourge on the game that is PiGMOB and its VAR.

Notable that those that are slagging them off the loudest are the ones that represent the cartel 2 and who desperately want things to stay as they are, using their television platform to do so. Wankers the lot of them.

 

[skillman]

I know it’s not VAR but the Hooper Spurs decision came to my mind before with all this Forest nonsense.

Still can’t believe how shambolic a decision that was and it was glossed over completely as an ‘error’ and something that just happens.

Absolutely zero repercussions for referees who make bad decisions and while that’s the case, it’ll just continue.