PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

domalino said:
This isn’t that complicated. There’s 2 parts.

1) Each club can spend 85% of revenue. This is agreed on and happening.

2) No club can spend more than 6x revenue of 20th team. Things agreed on principle but details tbc and voted on again.

Nowhere are Luton going to be allowed to spend £560m a year on wages and transfers, that would break PSR, wouldn’t it?

The only thing this does is make sure that the gap between top and bottom doesn’t grow too big by incentivising the top clubs to keep growing the revenues of the league as a whole.
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Thanks for that summation.

I can see why clubs that earn more would resist it. If a club earns 10 times as much as the bottom one, it is no longer 85% of their revenue they can spent, but rather 60%. Isn't going to bring the bottom club closer to them, but might help their nearest rival who despite earning less can spend 85% of their revenue and match the spending.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Because the terms of the agreement between the PL and the clubs provides as such.
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Well most can see this process for what it is. We could've had terms of agreement to ensure we washed up our tea mugs after use at the Etihad. Technically it's an agreement between two parties, but I'd love them to take us to a civil court on this basis.

Not washing up our tea mugs maybe against the PL's "rules", but it's not illegal in UK Law. This is the crucial point being overlooked.

You can worry yourself to death if you choose to, but I trust in City & the club believe they have irrefutable evidence to prove we're not in breach of the PL's private members club "rules".

According to reports, we've issued warnings to several people spinning the "charges" "case" "legal" & "guilty" narrative. This is where City stand, & I stand & agree with our club 100%. It's a pile of bullshit designed to halt our progress by any means necessary.
 
domalino said:
This isn’t that complicated. There’s 2 parts.

1) Each club can spend 85% of revenue. This is agreed on and happening.

2) No club can spend more than 6x revenue of 20th team. Things agreed on principle but details tbc and voted on again.

Nowhere are Luton going to be allowed to spend £560m a year on wages and transfers, that would break PSR, wouldn’t it?

The only thing this does is make sure that the gap between top and bottom doesn’t grow too big by incentivising the top clubs to keep growing the revenues of the league as a whole.
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Point 2) it's TV revenue not all revenue, and the 6x TV revenue is up in the air, it could be considerably less than 6x.
 
domalino said:
At 6x revenue of the bottom club we can spend more than we do now.

At 5x it’s about the same.

At 4.5x it’s a bit less.

We don’t know until the final vote is held where it will be, But all the clubs need to do to be able to spend more is adjust how much tv and prize money the bottom teams get. Give them an extra 10m and you can spend 45-60m more.
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That’s how see it, it will surely just mean the so called big 6 will divvy up the the TV revenues a bit fairer to the smaller teams..

As you say, just £10m extra makes a big difference.
 
joeyh123 said:
This thread has gone off track we need a separate one for this new rule :D

but as its already off track ill contribute further to the madness.

City's total wage bill for 2023/2024 season according to spotrac is around 220m. Assuming we sell players and buy players i don't see what the issue is if we have a cap of 500 mil? Assuming that the cap also includes all costs for other club related wages assume 100 mil for coaches staff etc then you still have 180 mil left over for our brown envelope payments :D...but in all seriousness can someone explain the negative of the cap other than the obvious one of dictating how a business can spend its own money (which i agree is madness)
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abu13 said:
Im not going to judge the rules until I understand them more but the point above about bonuses is quite interesting, lets assume for a minute that we are on for the treble next season and it comes down to the CL final, if we win it then the whole playing squad gets a bonus that suddenly puts us outside of the permitted spend. Given the players are all on contracts written before these rules came into affect, where the hell does this go.
Do we get to a situation where players get told to throw a CL final just to ensure the club comply to a set of rules like this?
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The additional prize money for winning it should cover any bonuses I imagine.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Not quite as they’re proposing a 2 tier system. Qualify for European competition and you mirror UEFA rules at 70% of revenue. Not qualifying for Europe, 85% of revenue is the proposal. Currently would make no real difference to City domestically, but will potentially hamper Villa and the Bar-codes.
Where it will make a difference is in Europe. If City and Madrid both earned £900M, under these proposals, Madrid could spend £630M in a season and City, if the ‘anchor point’ is set at 4.5 for example, could only spend £450. This is why the multiple of that anchor point becomes vital. A multiple of 6 not much difference, 4.5 pretty significant.
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it will be 4.5 to 5 as that's what's been said it will be. it will be easy to pass at that level as virtually 16 clubs are unaffected by it and actively want a lower number. Anyone thinking it will be 6+ is in cloud cuckoo land
 
BlueMonkey79 said:
My thoughts exactly.

All these financial rules and proposals are all dressed up to stop us.

If it was just United, Arsenal and Liverpool going toe to toe for the league every year these rules wouldn't even exist.

If the PL were confident that we are guilty and are going to get relegated they wouldn't need to Introduce these pie in the sky proposals!!!
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Initially, after FFP failed to stop City, perhaps they thought our owner would stop investment and join them in taking a cut each year.
To date that has not happened so this effectively is their attempt to brake the City investment model in its more mature phase.
The Investment our owner shows seems endless, they want cash cows not a global investment competition.
 
Bozzie said:
Now why doesn’t that surprise me! We used to go to Withington Con Club on a Friday when we were 16/17 and he was quite high profile around there at the time.
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It must be him, he had Boris type hair but very blonde and a swagger that he could carry off without embarrassment. I have to say he was very good at his job and all the pupils engaged with him, do you know if he’s still with us?
 
GaudinoMotors said:
Masters presiding over the biggest act of commercial incompetence, gross misconduct and dereliction of duty in the history of commerce - never-mind sporting history. Talk about missed opportunities for investment and cementing the PL as the most prestigious in the World for years to come
All to appease the protectionist cowards. The man needs stringing up - but having no backbone, he'd just flutter. Complete imbecile.
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He'll be the leader of the Tories in 10 years, he'd fit right in, slimy fucker.
 
Kinkybyname said:
...no shit, Sherlock!
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Probably the most sensible comment ever posted by a United fan on that forum regarding this topic and something so many of us have been saying all along. Of course, confidence from Khaldoon won’t necessarily win us the case but it’s a strong indicator that we’ve done nothing wrong.
 
BlueMonkey79 said:
My thoughts exactly.

All these financial rules and proposals are all dressed up to stop us.

If it was just United, Arsenal and Liverpool going toe to toe for the league every year these rules wouldn't even exist.

If the PL were confident that we are guilty and are going to get relegated they wouldn't need to Introduce these pie in the sky proposals!!!
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We will have a draft soon. This is the first step on the way to an American style league.
Can you imagine (say) Oxford United coming up again and limiting the league to next to nothing per team budget . No way the yanks will let that happen. They will close the shop
 
BerkshireBlue said:
it will be 4.5 to 5 as that's what's been said it will be. it will be easy to pass at that level as virtually 16 clubs are unaffected by it and actively want a lower number. Anyone thinking it will be 6+ is in cloud cuckoo land
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4.5x would be a disaster for City. We'd have to make significant savings on what we spend now.

In theory the club could make well over £100M profit and fail the rules.
 
M18CTID said:
Probably the most sensible comment ever posted by a United fan on that forum regarding this topic and something so many of us have been saying all along. Of course, confidence from Khaldoon won’t necessarily win us the case but it’s a strong indicator that we’ve done nothing wrong.
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Khaldoon knows we've done nothing wrong.
Make no mistake though he's fuckin angry..pissed off.
He'll never show it fully because he's a class act.
He's just keeping his powder dry and his pecker hard..
 
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