PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[117 M34]

Sorry, I must be being stupid here but how can something from 2013 been time barred but the Mancini stuff from 2009 not be?

Especially when both were only uncovered years later.

If there is fraud involved, the time barring is removed.

 

[mancboy]

many months back the was a rag on the cafe who was demanding a handicap system for clubs, so for eg city would start the season on -10 points to level the playing field, all in competitive fair play,strange how things like this were never mentioned 12 plus years ago

whats the criteria to decide that as i want united to start on -1000 points for being cheating , whinging, hypocritical fucks and there isnt a number big enough for what i want the dippers to start on.

 

[mancboy]

If there is fraud involved, the time barring is removed.

so they are accusing us of fraud then, in which case it is a criminal offence and not a civil one.

 

[ufo]

Bad news for those who are expecting this case to get resolved asap or in timely manner.
Pl will just leave this hanging and not give a flying fuck about any common ground. They achieved their end goal , ie smear campaign and it was successful atleast inside thier pea sized brain. City fans can never move past this shit coz this 115 is like dried old shit , the more you poke it , more it stinks.

 

[domalino]

If there is fraud involved, the time barring is removed.

It was my understanding that it’s not fraud specifically, but concealment, that removes the limitation period, which starts from when the legal claim could be started.

So if the PL didn’t know about the “hack” until 2019 because Liverpool and City didn’t disclose it, that’s when the 6 year limitation period would start.

 

[robbieh]

Utd dominated and the media STILL have PTSD over them not winning nowadays. They want the right winners.

The media might have fawned over them but most fans of other clubs loathed United for a variety of reasons.

 

[Keeper!]

My scandi friends just regard him as a mercenary who is just passing through until one of the big two in Spain can afford him

They have to be rags?

 

[M18CTID]

I suspect City wouldn't want it resurrected either, why people keep bringing it up is just "whataboutery" nonsense. You'd have thought City fans would know better given all the "whataboutery" aimed at us.

Totally agree that we can't use whataboutery when defending ourselves against the current allegations and no way City would resort to that. However, if we're cleared then we'd be within our rights to demand that the PL investigate the finances of certain other clubs with the same vigour that they've investigated us, starting with Liverpool's (alleged) non-existent £35m of costs for their non-existent new stadium in Stanley Park that saw them magically pass UEFA's FFP regs around a decade ago. Of course that would be time-barred under UEFA's own rules but not necessarily under the Premier League's.

 

[sickswancity]

Apologies for going slightly off piste but just wondered what others thought about this conversation me and my brother had last week. We've all been so busy defending the allegations that nobody has really discussed how we should feel if we are found guilty.

Like most of you on here I seriously doubt that our owners would commit such a wide range of fraudulent acts when we really never needed to and I believe we have no reason not to trust Khaldoon when he says we have irrefutable evidence to prove our innocence but just playing devils advocate for a moment...

If we were found guilty and it all comes out that the allegations were true and it was proved beyond all doubt that our owners used tactics to circumnavigate/break the rules to gain a sporting advantage - how would you feel about our owners after such a judgement and would you just forgive them for tarnishing our clubs name because we won some (well quite a lot) of trophies?

Would any of you be angry with our owners for taking the club we have loved all our lives and dragging it through the mud for commercial gain and leaving us as fans to deal with the shit show it leaves behind (as we are now)? I feel there would never be any coming back from it as every success from here on out would just be met with the old 115 cheat tag from rivals a they are doing now before our case has even been heard. It would almost be like - what's the point anymore, we were better off without the success but our integrity in-tact.

If the owners brought that upon us I just don't know how I would feel about it all. I think it would be fair to be very angry with them.

 

[domalino]

I suspect City wouldn't want it resurrected either, why people keep bringing it up is just "whataboutery" nonsense. You'd have thought City fans would know better given all the "whataboutery" aimed at us.

It’s not whataboutery to ask why one historic accusation is investigated and another isn’t.

If the PL had opened an investigation and decided it just didn’t reach the level of a rules breach then fair enough.

But IIRC the reported reason for not even investigating was the timeline which obviously opens up a question of double standards when they subsequently open an investigation and charge us over even older shit.

 

[ufo]

Apologies for going slightly off piste but just wondered what others thought about this conversation me and my brother had last week. We've all been so busy defending the allegations that nobody has really discussed how we should feel if we are found guilty.

Like most of you on here I seriously doubt that our owners would commit such a wide range of fraudulent acts when we really never needed to and I believe we have no reason not to trust Khaldoon when he says we have irrefutable evidence to prove our innocence but just playing devils advocate for a moment...

If we were found guilty and it all comes out that the allegations were true and it was proved beyond all doubt that our owners used tactics to circumnavigate/break the rules to gain a sporting advantage - how would you feel about our owners after such a judgement and would you just forgive them for tarnishing our clubs name because we won some (well quite a lot) of trophies?

Would any of you be angry with our owners for taking the club we have loved all our lives and dragging it through the mud for commercial gain and leaving us as fans to deal with the shit show it leaves behind (as we are now)? I feel there would never be any coming back from it as every success from here on out would just be met with the old 115 cheat tag from rivals a they are doing now before our case has even been heard. It would almost be like - what's the point anymore, we were better off without the success but our integrity in-tact.

If the owners brought that upon us I just don't know how I would feel about it all. I think it would be fair to be very angry with them.

”If” I were a unicorn, i would have an extra cock on my forehead .

 

[Ducado]

Apologies for going slightly off piste but just wondered what others thought about this conversation me and my brother had last week. We've all been so busy defending the allegations that nobody has really discussed how we should feel if we are found guilty.

Like most of you on here I seriously doubt that our owners would commit such a wide range of fraudulent acts when we really never needed to and I believe we have no reason not to trust Khaldoon when he says we have irrefutable evidence to prove our innocence but just playing devils advocate for a moment...

If we were found guilty and it all comes out that the allegations were true and it was proved beyond all doubt that our owners used tactics to circumnavigate/break the rules to gain a sporting advantage - how would you feel about our owners after such a judgement and would you just forgive them for tarnishing our clubs name because we won some (well quite a lot) of trophies?

Would any of you be angry with our owners for taking the club we have loved all our lives and dragging it through the mud for commercial gain and leaving us as fans to deal with the shit show it leaves behind (as we are now)? I feel there would never be any coming back from it as every success from here on out would just be met with the old 115 cheat tag from rivals a they are doing now before our case has even been heard. It would almost be like - what's the point anymore, we were better off without the success but our integrity in-tact.

If the owners brought that upon us I just don't know how I would feel about it all. I think it would be fair to be very angry with them.

I don't know if your serious or just a Rag WUM but here goes

From what I understand the charges are really quite serious so there would have to be a damming piece of evidence in order to prove that we breached a particular rule I believe if there were that "smoking gun" this would have been resolved a long time ago, but in it's absence I can't even imagine your hypothesis, now you can fuck off bag to Red Cafe or Rawk and report on that

 

[sickswancity]

”If” I were a unicorn, i would have an extra cock on my forehead .

Isn't the whole 5000 page thread about 'ifs'?

 

[ufo]

Isn't the whole 5000 page thread about 'ifs'?

also you will be educated if you bother reading

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

If there is fraud involved, the time barring is removed.

It’s not removed, it shifts the time the clock starts ticking from the date of the breach - to the date of discovery of the breach (or when discovery should have occurred with the application of reasonable diligence). i.e. once you discover a fraudulent breach, you have a statutory requirement not to sit on your claim forever, as that could produce absurd outcomes.

 

[JULES]

Not in The Netherlands they’re not.

in south America we are.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Isn't the whole 5000 page thread about 'ifs'?

No. Jonathan Liew is definitely a ****.

 

[domalino]

I don't know if your serious or just a Rag WUM but here goes

From what I understand the charges are really quite serious so there would have to be a damming piece of evidence in order to prove that we breached a particular rule I believe if there were that "smoking gun" this would have been resolved a long time ago, but in it's absence I can't even imagine your hypothesis, now you can fuck off bag to Red Cafe or Rawk and report on that

You didn’t answer his question, just hurled semi-coherent abuse at him for asking a reasonable question.

If the club did do what its accused of I think a lot of people would feel incredibly betrayed, Soriano and Begiristain would be out at a minimum and then city fans would get over it eventually while the club would be made the black sheep of English football for a generation and presumably there would be a never ending stream of lawsuits between all parties.

 

[Jimmieblue]

Anybody else think we are playing right into media’s hands by going on about the 115 charges. Make a song up about ‘we don’t give a f… about the charges’ and get on with celebrating the achievements. Nothing will ever change with the media. They’ve never liked challenges to the big clubs and I think it will ever be so. People can’t stand being ignored and perhaps we should just keep quiet.

 

[Asa's left peg]

Apologies for going slightly off piste but just wondered what others thought about this conversation me and my brother had last week. We've all been so busy defending the allegations that nobody has really discussed how we should feel if we are found guilty.

Like most of you on here I seriously doubt that our owners would commit such a wide range of fraudulent acts when we really never needed to and I believe we have no reason not to trust Khaldoon when he says we have irrefutable evidence to prove our innocence but just playing devils advocate for a moment...

If we were found guilty and it all comes out that the allegations were true and it was proved beyond all doubt that our owners used tactics to circumnavigate/break the rules to gain a sporting advantage - how would you feel about our owners after such a judgement and would you just forgive them for tarnishing our clubs name because we won some (well quite a lot) of trophies?

Would any of you be angry with our owners for taking the club we have loved all our lives and dragging it through the mud for commercial gain and leaving us as fans to deal with the shit show it leaves behind (as we are now)? I feel there would never be any coming back from it as every success from here on out would just be met with the old 115 cheat tag from rivals a they are doing now before our case has even been heard. It would almost be like - what's the point anymore, we were better off without the success but our integrity in-tact.

If the owners brought that upon us I just don't know how I would feel about it all. I think it would be fair to be very angry with them.

You're either very naïve or not a blue. Most of us on here know that any negative answers to this will appear somewhere else in the coming days.