PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Rory Bluelow]

At the risk of outing myself as thick as fuck, I struggle with the notion that preposterous charges have been brought by the EPL who must have sought the advice of competent lawyers before they did so. Genuine question to you - do you believe the EPL lawyers are thick as fuck also, or is it the case that the charges were issued by the EPL against legal advice?
For what it’s worth I trust Khaldoon‘s irrefutable evidence statement but as I say it seems virtually unthinkable that any responsible organisation would issue proceedings of such magnitude knowing such proceedings were doomed to fail

There’s an old but very true mantra….
Advisers advise; Executives decide
Lawyers (even the very best) are only Advisers.
You have a point, provided the only motive was to win the dispute - I think an ancillary motive was simply to damage our club. Masters and his handlers (Levy & Co) probably thought it was a clever win-win strategy, but I think they’ve lost control. The PL will provide the fall guys of course and Masters’ head will roll.

 

[mattcity5]

Surely they have the right or they wouldnt have charged us with non - co operation..

It's basically been:

Them: "give us all your documents"
Us: "which ones? You don't need them all"
Them: "you aren't co-operating!"
Us: "we're trying to"

 

[Xhavenjoe]

When was that mate I must've missed it?

Not sure where I saw it but Stefan was calling Goldbrudges bluff re: letters sent out.
He said at that time the club had sent no letters.
Some may have been sent out since then, mind you,

 

[NorCalBlue]

"Magically...City have a wage bill of £423million and 520 employees compared with Liverpool’s wage bill of £373million and 1,005 employees"

Magically, City pay their staff decent wages instead of being cheapskates who fuck over their employees. The guy must love Walmart - they employ vast numbers of people on shit money as well.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I think it’s pretty clear the letters weren’t sent. The coverage has been worse since weekend.

If a few were sent out to a small of particular targets how would that impact on the wider media?

The coverage after an another title win was inevitable from some quarters.

Just because coverage is negative it doesn’t make it defamatory.

 

[Inter Me Nan]

Not sure where I saw it but Stefan was calling Goldbrudges bluff re: letters sent out.
He said at that time the club had sent no letters.
Some may have been sent out since then, mind you,

Cheers.

 

[City Hobgoblin]

(four of their top ten sponsors are linked to the UAE, including the stadium and shirt sponsor Etihad)

So that means the majority of the club’s main sponsors aren’t linked to the UAE.

Therefore, if these non-UAE sponsorships are in line with the UAE-linked sponsors then they must be fair value/legitimate.

Syed has clearly started writing the article thinking “I’ll include the fact all City’s sponsors are UAE linked, ha ha ha, gotcha!”

He’s then looked at the data and it hasn’t told him what he wanted it to. Yet he’s forged on ahead with that angle regardless, which is just the height of laziness.

if you’re going to have a pop at discrediting the club at the least put a bit effort in.

A lamentable article, but unsurprising given it’s been written by a failed table tennis player.

Who does he support?

 

[metalblue]

Surely they have the right or they wouldnt have charged us with non - co operation..

Depends mate, both your points can be true.

For example, maybe the rules state something along the lines that members will cooperate fully with any investigation

They then ask you for something that might find you running the risk of GDPR breaches.

You say not having that, they say but if you don’t give it to us you’re not cooperating. You (reasonably) decide it’s better to breach a club rule and the run risk of breaching the law. Won’t be that black and white, but you get the point.

 

[metalblue]

Magically, City pay their staff decent wages instead of being cheapskates who fuck over their employees. The guy must love Walmart - they employ vast numbers of people on shit money as well.

Didn’t they put a bunch on furlough? Small time cunts.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

This disgusting article by that twat Syed is in today’s Times.
Basically suggesting City cheat at everything.
Read and be appalled.

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Braindead ****. There hasn’t been a QC in the Kingdom for approaching two years.

 

[mike1923]

As a long time reader of this board I really like tolmie and enjoying reading his posts. However I can’t help but feel recently he just posts ambiguous stuff on Twitter to try and farm reactions. Throw enough shit and some of it will stick approach.

I don’t think ‘city will be cleared this year’ is ambiguous, in his defence

 

[bluenova]

The wage quoted is based on the 2023 wage salary as stated in the racist Ziegler article yesterday.

2023 the year of winning it all will included bonuses which the racist Ziegler refused to acknowledge.

That's likely where the difference in the headline figure comes from, but he's making a bit point about the number of staff being double.

That's where his ignorance (or dishonesty) shows up.

 

[Moss Side's Finest]

There’s an old but very true mantra….
Advisers advise; Executives decide
Lawyers (even the very best) are only Advisers.
You have a point, provided the only motive was to win the dispute - I think an ancillary motive was simply to damage our club. Masters and his handlers (Levy & Co) probably thought it was a clever win-win strategy, but I think they’ve lost control. The PL will provide the fall guys of course and Masters’ head will roll.

At the risk of outing myself as thick as fuck, I struggle with the notion that preposterous charges have been brought by the EPL who must have sought the advice of competent lawyers before they did so. Genuine question to you - do you believe the EPL lawyers are thick as fuck also, or is it the case that the charges were issued by the EPL against legal advice?
For what it’s worth I trust Khaldoon‘s irrefutable evidence statement but as I say it seems virtually unthinkable that any responsible organisation would issue proceedings of such magnitude knowing such proceedings were doomed to fail

The main thing at play when they showed their hand with the charges was that the government were about call out the need for independent oversight of football. It is common knowledge that the PL shit themselves and rushed the charges without proper due diligence. We all read about the updates to the charges wording even after they were published, which is yet more evidence of them rushing the comms. Their problem from then to now is, they'd already played their hand, there was no going back...

 

[M12Blue]

I for one believe the info from Tolmie,when I saw the PL woman getting all gooey with everyone handing out the medals on Sunday, I knew something afoot had occurred. Will be rinse and repeat on Saturday at Wembley from FA.

 

[Gundoggin]

It's basically been:

Them: "give us all your documents"
Us: "which ones? You don't need them all"
Them: "you aren't co-operating!"
Us: "we're trying to"

Deffo this plus why the fuck would the best run company in world football disclose its business structure and workings warts and all to its enemies ? :)

 

[Gazza]

I for one believe the info from Tolmie,when I saw the PL woman getting all gooey with everyone handing out the medals on Sunday, I knew something afoot had occurred. Will be rinse and repeat on Saturday at Wembley from FA.

I just think she was a genuinely nice person, unlike some of her work colleagues.

 

[Don Karleone]

Who does he support?

Brentford fan I think.

 

[jim tolmies perm]

I'm not sure that my archive link has the same connection, but I may be wrong.

Was just saying in general mate not any particular link ;)

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

There is no question that the language of the big players has changed and moderated. Much more nuanced now. And this happened around the time Tolmie tweeted about the letters. If I recall correctly, only Tebas was named as a definite recipient. (The “freelance loons” do have influence but in any event would be difficult to constrain by a “cease and desist“ letter - don’t think Goldbridge would run it by his legal team !). I understand people wanting to be cautious and avoid false hope but the overall picture painted by Tolm’s successive tweets is perfectly credible and aligns with the likely progress of the dispute (discovery, preliminary discussions etc). There would be no gain for the club to feed him false information. Add-in also the very bullish remarks of the non-Exec Director in the Times Interview. I am personally very confident about the outcome - but could be proved wrong of course.
There is no way this issue will run to 2025 - as the Premier League is very publicly destroying its reputation and will be looking for a way out. Masters will be thrown on the bonfire. It’s all about timing and I’d guess the Summer would be perfect.
All opinion of course - but there seems to be a very clear pattern.

Agreed. My feeling is that the PL must be looking for a way out which preserves their brand. I thought one option would be to kick the City fiasco to the new regulator but that is now up in the air because of the General Election. Labour have supported the Football Governance Bill up to now but may not regard it as a key priority when (if) they take over power. Either way Masters will lose his job. I think that is probably the real reason he didn't turn up at the Etihad. He must be actively seeking a new job as we speak and being booed by 54,000 people won't help him with his CV.

 

[lancs blue]

that level of maths from a man who studied PPE at Oxford is just shocking.

It's entirely understandable when you consider that Liz Truss also took PPE at Oxford and her grasp of maths was none too good considering how she trashed the economy within a couple of weeks of taking office.