PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Coatigan]

Klopp really couldn't help himself could he. Just fuk off once and for all you psychopathic shark toothed twat

I for one wish him all the best in his new pursuit of a career in comedy.

 

[Timbobs]

shit like this really fucks me off.

Hopefully they don't organise it on the anniversary of Heysel again.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Yes noticed you post on Twitter about the PL charges came back on here see if I could find you, your doing City a favour there aren’t many City fans helping to stamp down on some of the ridiculous posts about our club Liam Gallagher takes a lot of the fallout. Thanks T. H. :)

Just gotta roll with it ;)

 

[Cobwebcat]

And here's yet another thing you've got wrong. I know, for an absolute fact, that the PL approached City to talk about some sort of settlement. We don't know what that settlement was but if it was to accept a penalty in return for accepting lesser breaches, you don't make that sort of offer if your case is strong and ironclad.

The possibility is that the IC has informed the PL that, based on the evidence they've seen, their case is weak and has little prospect of success at a hearing. Or it could have been that the IC feel there's no case at all, and a hearing will be a complete waste of their time.

Whatever the specific circumstances, I know City completely rejected any settlement, as they did when UEFA offered one.

Do you think a settlement is impossible now?

 

[M18CTID]

Sorry, I don't think the reaction has been over the top at all. It's not even close to the top imo.

Read that particular paragraph again. The reaction is well and truly deserved.

Which paragraph?

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I watched AFTV this evening to catch up on the transfer rumours and I was disappointed to see AFTV banging on about the charges as that hasn't been part of the agenda of AFTV all season. That being said there were City fans on here having a dig at the Thomas Partey accusations and in both cases it's innocent until proven guilty. You can't give it out to him and then complain that other fans give it to City. Not until the proper legal process has been allowed to take course.

Re the City charges, 115 is misleading as the reality is it will boil down to a few more serious charges and a bunch of other much more trivial misdemeanours. Bear in mind the traditional top 4 sides had decades to get their shit together and spend a fortune on building their clubs so if, big IF, City are guilty, it will be of doing something to develop the club in a way that the other big sides have historically been allowed to do but now times have changed and newly-monied clubs are unable to, and City bending the rules and concealing the true nature of events leading up to City being able to invest in the club.

From what I'm reading and hearing it is likely some sort of deal gets done in the background, City get a 20 point deduction and a big fine - will mean they won't win the league that season but still qualify for CL. The hysteria that City get relegated to the National League or whatever is overkill - not in a million years will that happen and it's in the club's interests to wrap things up quickly and I'm sure the lawyers will be advising them that as for sure with 115 charges to go through some of them will stick, even though there's an element of subjectivity to them all.

Note also, contrary to some of the posts in this thread, City were NOT cleared by UEFA. They were found guilty however there is a statute of limitations that applies when going to the European CAS meaning evidence older than a specified period of time cannot be used and therefore the charges were not allowed to stick. PL rules are different and evidence can be used from any period of time which is why I think the PL will get some of them to stick. But none of the charges are as serious as the ones Juventus faced for basically match-fixing and their penalty was relegation to the next division down. So there's nothing in my mind that makes me think City won't be able to do a deal behind the scenes with a one-off points deduction and a fine.

As a Gooner I'm genuinely not bitter at all - we've historically had the opportunity to spend whatever we wanted - we chose not to (despite at the time having a corrupt Putin stooge in the form of Alisher Usmanov as a major shareholder who wanted to splash his blood money around). Other clubs like Chelsea and the Rags did get their wallets out though and now they don't like it when someone else wants to spend their money on their club. Football has always been. That way in the PL era - heck even Blackburn bought a league title. Since then more clubs have come in with the readies to compete and build the infrastructure to take the club to the next level, set up sustainable infrastructure for the future, sustain higher revenue channel opportunities and so on.

Chelsea spent dirty Russian money on building that club. Money with blood on it.

And as for the Dippers being up in arms - let's just reflect on the fact that their club is responsible for the murder of 39 Juventus fans, responsible for English teams being banned from Europe, responsible for attacks on opponents team coaches. If there ever was any justice then that club would be permanently banned from Europe and would have been relegated by the FA for giving English football a bad name in the 80s. So I'd advise them to shut the fuck up.

There will be no deal. They had that opportunity over four years. Now they are squirming to find a decent optic for themselves.

 

[Matt Diablo]

Had to get this in before Nick Harris, oops sorry Magic Hat, blocks me:

Fukin brilliant mate:)

 

[Scaring Europe to Death]

Precisely. He doesn't give one single fuck about the people his raving bile affects.

I was thinking about this the other day when somebody mentioned feeling drained from all the abuse.

I honestly believe that some of these journalists and anonymous haters don't so much want City to be stripped of titles or relegated. They actually want us liquidated and our owners wiped off the face of the earth, and if the collateral damage involves an increase in mental illness amongst City supporters then so be it.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

We don’t know if our lawyers are doing anything. In fact us City fans know nothing at all about the case.

Some claim probably correctly that its a legal matter and the club won’t comment and / or why should idiots being given publicity. Some say confidently that things will be fine but they have no evidence of this.

5788 pages on this thread suggests that city fans are concerned. Silence from the club has aided a pile on from all directions as the cartel sees an opportunity.

Our owners have transformed our club for the better. We are hated and have this hanging over us because we are successful but I think their handling of the PR aspect is awful. If god forbid we lose the case it will be no good speaking out then.

I say this not because I am concerned about what the red lackeys in the media think but the effect on City fans. This has gone on too long.

The Club has already said plenty. Enough.

 

[Coatigan]

Which paragraph?

The one that explains what the uefa/cas cases Really mean, contrary to what we the clueless here believe.

But don't bother replying further about it though. Nothing to do with you btw, just really not worth either of our time/energy.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Klopp.

"We don't talk about Man City."

He's not stopped talking about City for 9 years.

Didn't stop him having a bus parade on the anniversary of Heysel either...

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Do you think a settlement is impossible now?

Yes, because we aren't interested in one.

We don't know whether it's a case of (like UEFA) take a rap and get a slap on the wrist settlement, or a case of the PL know their case is unsustainable and want City's help in some way to back out of it. But whatever the reason, we rejected it.

 

[Bluesince1979]

I watched AFTV this evening to catch up on the transfer rumours and I was disappointed to see AFTV banging on about the charges as that hasn't been part of the agenda of AFTV all season. That being said there were City fans on here having a dig at the Thomas Partey accusations and in both cases it's innocent until proven guilty. You can't give it out to him and then complain that other fans give it to City. Not until the proper legal process has been allowed to take course.

Re the City charges, 115 is misleading as the reality is it will boil down to a few more serious charges and a bunch of other much more trivial misdemeanours. Bear in mind the traditional top 4 sides had decades to get their shit together and spend a fortune on building their clubs so if, big IF, City are guilty, it will be of doing something to develop the club in a way that the other big sides have historically been allowed to do but now times have changed and newly-monied clubs are unable to, and City bending the rules and concealing the true nature of events leading up to City being able to invest in the club.

From what I'm reading and hearing it is likely some sort of deal gets done in the background, City get a 20 point deduction and a big fine - will mean they won't win the league that season but still qualify for CL. The hysteria that City get relegated to the National League or whatever is overkill - not in a million years will that happen and it's in the club's interests to wrap things up quickly and I'm sure the lawyers will be advising them that as for sure with 115 charges to go through some of them will stick, even though there's an element of subjectivity to them all.

Note also, contrary to some of the posts in this thread, City were NOT cleared by UEFA. They were found guilty however there is a statute of limitations that applies when going to the European CAS meaning evidence older than a specified period of time cannot be used and therefore the charges were not allowed to stick. PL rules are different and evidence can be used from any period of time which is why I think the PL will get some of them to stick. But none of the charges are as serious as the ones Juventus faced for basically match-fixing and their penalty was relegation to the next division down. So there's nothing in my mind that makes me think City won't be able to do a deal behind the scenes with a one-off points deduction and a fine.

As a Gooner I'm genuinely not bitter at all - we've historically had the opportunity to spend whatever we wanted - we chose not to (despite at the time having a corrupt Putin stooge in the form of Alisher Usmanov as a major shareholder who wanted to splash his blood money around). Other clubs like Chelsea and the Rags did get their wallets out though and now they don't like it when someone else wants to spend their money on their club. Football has always been. That way in the PL era - heck even Blackburn bought a league title. Since then more clubs have come in with the readies to compete and build the infrastructure to take the club to the next level, set up sustainable infrastructure for the future, sustain higher revenue channel opportunities and so on.

Chelsea spent dirty Russian money on building that club. Money with blood on it.

And as for the Dippers being up in arms - let's just reflect on the fact that their club is responsible for the murder of 39 Juventus fans, responsible for English teams being banned from Europe, responsible for attacks on opponents team coaches. If there ever was any justice then that club would be permanently banned from Europe and would have been relegated by the FA for giving English football a bad name in the 80s. So I'd advise them to shut the fuck up.

Depends how far you want to go back doesnt it. Arsenal were spending small fortunes on henry, bergkamp etc.
what about back to the 1930’s and herbert chapman?, poaching him and a few players from then top team huddersfield?

Arsenal like to paint themselves as the standard in running a club. I think thats why you are pretty disliked a ls a fan base.

 

[Matt Diablo]

Just gotta roll with it ;)

Yes a massive thank you also to you and all other intelligent Blues on social for swatting the flies away

 

[M18CTID]

The one that explains what the uefa/cas cases Really mean, contrary to what we the clueless here believe.

But don't bother replying further about it though. Nothing to do with you btw, just really not worth either of our time/energy.

Ok, cheers. I've just seen a part of a post of his that someone has quoted where he said we weren't cleared by CAS. I missed that first time round. That's a common misconception amongst opposition fans and it's frustrating having to correct them time after time

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

The tw@t has to end up at PSG plz

Remember that day Klopp bid £110m for Caceido...

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Yes, because we aren't interested in one.

We don't know whether it's a case of (like UEFA) take a rap and get a slap on the wrist settlement, or a case of the PL know their case is unsustainable and want City's help in some way to back out of it. But whatever the reason, we rejected it.

With that in mind, your confidence must be verging on near certainty that the process is now merely a formality which will ultimately rule in our favour? Or am I misreading/misinterpreting?

 

[Coatigan]

One significant detail that is often forgotten, or deliberately goes unmentioned.

UEFA had the option, of appealing the CAS verdict. That recourse was there and open to them, at the time.

By choosing not to, they have in fact accepted the ruling.

And as such have accepted Manchester City’s innocence.

That's that, case well and truly closed.

It no longer matters one bit now how much Tebas, Klopp, Simon Jordan, Carragher, or some bitter Arsenal fan pretending to be all objective, now claim that we were in fact found 'guilty' by uefa, but got away with it on a technicality. Or how many times Melissa Ruddy puts 'innocent' under sarcastic air quotes.

The fact is, Uefa themselves chose to accept CAS's delivery of innocence for the club.

Anything claimed to the contrary, is just pure twattery. Whether that is moronic or dishonest, I really don't care, both are equally shit.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

With that in mind, your confidence must be verging on near certainty that the process is now merely a formality which will ultimately rule in our favour? Or am I misreading/misinterpreting?

I've always been confident that these charges won't stick or lead to any significant negative outcome. It does help increase that confidence, however, when you hear that the complainant is begging for a settlement.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

One significant detail that is often forgotten, or deliberately goes unmentioned.

UEFA had the option, of appealing the CAS verdict. That recourse was there and open to them, at the time.

They couldn't appeal the verdict, just the process if they felt CAS had abused due process. That's pretty well the same for us with the PL. There has to be very narrow and specific grounds for an appeal to the courts and Swiss Courts have rarely, if ever, gone against CAS.