PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Bluesince1979 said:
Depends how far you want to go back doesnt it. Arsenal were spending small fortunes on henry, bergkamp etc.
what about back to the 1930’s and herbert chapman?, poaching him and a few players from then top team huddersfield?

Arsenal like to paint themselves as the standard in running a club. I think thats why you are pretty disliked a ls a fan base.
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Was this when they were paying their players through an 'employee benefit trust'?

Arsenal 'in multi-million tax dodge'

The high-profile divorce of Arsenal star Ray Parlour has exposed a multi-million-pound tax dodge at the country's top football club, it was reported last night.
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Yes, because we aren't interested in one.

We don't know whether it's a case of (like UEFA) take a rap and get a slap on the wrist settlement, or a case of the PL know their case is unsustainable and want City's help in some way to back out of it. But whatever the reason, we rejected it.
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Well let’s hope we don’t fall into the category of the 30% wrongly convicted.
 
eastmanc said:
City took a hit with UEFA in 2014 we won't be making that mistake again.
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Unless the PL has some amazing evidence, the club is in a much stronger position with the PL allegations now than it was with UEFA in 2014. I just can't see a settlement unless it is on very favourable terms to the club, whether publicly or behind the scenes.
 
monty silva said:
Was this when they were paying their players through an 'employee benefit trust'?

Arsenal 'in multi-million tax dodge'

The high-profile divorce of Arsenal star Ray Parlour has exposed a multi-million-pound tax dodge at the country's top football club, it was reported last night.
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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A classic example of how City's "crimes" were just how every club operated pre-2010.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
They couldn't appeal the verdict, just the process if they felt CAS had abused due process. That's pretty well the same for us with the PL. There has to be very narrow and specific grounds for an appeal to the courts and Swiss Courts have rarely, if ever, gone against CAS.
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The wording used in most articles was 'uefa could appeal against the decision in the Swiss federal courts'.

What the mechanical intricacies of that are, I really won't pretend to know. But the logic stands, there was a route for them if they really were unhappy with it, and they chose not to pursue it.

They accepted the verdict. Others, including our own media, should too.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Yes, because we aren't interested in one.

We don't know whether it's a case of (like UEFA) take a rap and get a slap on the wrist settlement, or a case of the PL know their case is unsustainable and want City's help in some way to back out of it. But whatever the reason, we rejected it.
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Does that also mean Tolmie’s info that this will be resolved this year unlikely?
 
M18CTID said:
Ok, cheers. I've just seen a part of a post of his that someone has quoted where he said we weren't cleared by CAS. I missed that first time round. That's a common misconception amongst opposition fans and it's frustrating having to correct them time after time
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The absolute bare minimum I expect from any outsider before pontificating on this subject is for them to have read the CAS report and understood what the PL charges relate to. That applies whether they're gobbing off on TV, in the papers, on here, or in the pub. Until they can demonstrate they've done both those things they can fuck right off.
 
Manchester1894 said:

Hi Nick

Imagine arguing with yourself.
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This appears to be the only subject this “journalist” seems to go on about, repeating the same old lines.

So he now seems to resent the completion from another one trick pony whose just reading others people work.
 
Coatigan said:
The wording used in most articles was 'uefa could appeal against the decision in the Swiss federal courts'.

What the mechanical intricacies of that are, I really won't pretend to know. But the logic stands, there was a route for them if they really were unhappy with it, and they chose not to pursue it.

They accepted the verdict. Others, including our own media, should too.
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I think they were really unhappy about it but not on the grounds that they could appeal.

I sometimes worry that the CAS case wasn’t unanimous and just shows how errors can be easily made which is why settlements are often reached on even, what appears to be, a sure win.
 
Revolver said:
We don’t know if our lawyers are doing anything. In fact us City fans know nothing at all about the case.

Some claim probably correctly that its a legal matter and the club won’t comment and / or why should idiots being given publicity. Some say confidently that things will be fine but they have no evidence of this.

5788 pages on this thread suggests that city fans are concerned. Silence from the club has aided a pile on from all directions as the cartel sees an opportunity.

Our owners have transformed our club for the better. We are hated and have this hanging over us because we are successful but I think their handling of the PR aspect is awful. If god forbid we lose the case it will be no good speaking out then.

I say this not because I am concerned about what the red lackeys in the media think but the effect on City fans. This has gone on too long.
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You only need to remember one statement from our chairman;

"We have irrefutable evidence"

Nothing more needs to be said or even reply to the daily pile of garbage by the UK media's attack on the best run football club in the world.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
They couldn't appeal the verdict, just the process if they felt CAS had abused due process. That's pretty well the same for us with the PL. There has to be very narrow and specific grounds for an appeal to the courts and Swiss Courts have rarely, if ever, gone against CAS.
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They could easily have attempted to get leave to appeal/permission to appeal on the basis of many of the nonsense conspiracy theories. For example, misapplication of law, irregularities in the selection of the Panel, a decision that no sane Panel would have come to etc. They chose not to. I wonder why?

[Because they are all nonsense conspiracy theories]
 
bluemanchester said:
You only need to remember one statement from our chairman;

"We have irrefutable evidence"

Nothing more needs to be said or even reply to the daily pile of garbage by the UK media's attack on the best run football club in the world.
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That’s true but one member of CAS wasn’t convinced by it first time around for some reason. We won 2-1 rather than 3-0
 
projectriver said:
They could easily have attempted to get leave to appeal/permission to appeal on the basis of many of the nonsense conspiracy theories. For example, misapplication of law, irregularities in the selection of the Panel, a decision that no sane Panel would have come to etc. They chose not to. I wonder why?

[Because they are all nonsense conspiracy theories]
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We're dealing with schrodingers authorities.

They're simultaneously victims of our massive legal team that they can't compete with, in bed with us, and also trying everything to punish us.

There's otherwise (fairly) sensible people who genuinely think that City will bribe/pay off/blackmail/get political pressure to bail us out at the Independent hearing, but don't believe we could have just bribed/paid off/blackmailed/got political intervention to stp the investigation from happening in the first place or charges announced.
 
projectriver said:
They could easily have attempted to get leave to appeal/permission to appeal on the basis of many of the nonsense conspiracy theories. For example, misapplication of law, irregularities in the selection of the Panel, a decision that no sane Panel would have come to etc. They chose not to. I wonder why?

[Because they are all nonsense conspiracy theories]
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What do you think to Tolmie’s info that the belief at City is that this will be resolved this year rather than next?
 
LeonardoDaVnci said:
I’ve heard the 20 points rumour from a completely independent source, a corporate lawyer, not practicing in sport. He was at a social in London where a lawyer who has represented other PL clubs and PL players was talking after a few glasses of truth serum had been consumed. He said the PL offered a £50m fine plus 20 point deduction because the IC is completely overwhelmed by the volume and strength of City’s written submissions to the Panel. The offer got the response it deserved. Simon Jordan and Nick Harris are now saying a settlement is on the cards. Sounds like the PL are on the run, they have absolutely botched this and Masters will probably resign first, during the summer. The PL are banking on the constant negative PR forcing City into a settlement, Khaldoon said never again and he meant it. We have taken this shite for years now, we collectively must not buckle one iota. Keep fighting Blues !
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A huge fine and a 20 point deduction is hardly the PL on the run !! If that’s what the PL think they may as well go ahead with their IC. Your information about settlement discussions is likely correct as is that Masters is a dead man walking but I wonder if your lawyer friend was winding you up with the £50m/20pts ?
 
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