PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[theres only one carlito]

You’re absolutely right to say City weren’t cleared by UEFA.

We were found guilty by UEFA, and appealed that verdict to CAS.

CAS, however, having reviewed the slender evidence presented by UEFA to support the guilty verdict, repeatedly stated there was ‘no evidence’ to support the allegations - and cleared us on that basis.

They did not clear us because all the evidence was time barred. This is a disingenuous misconception peddled by client journalists in the mainstream media whose job it is to continue the guilty narrative.

It’s all in here if you actually go to the source (rather than the media spin), in case you’re in any doubt and want to clarify the situation.

https://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/CAS_Award_6785___internet__.pdf

And you’re also wrong that there’s no time barring in the PL case, as any charges will need to comply with UK law - which includes a six year limitation unless fraud or deliberate concealment can be proven.

Which will require a very high burden of proof on behalf of the PL.

A lot more than six emails, which as it happens are proof of precisely nothing - as CAS very clearly set out in their verdict.

Excellently put my friend.

It’s baffling how many morons (@bridgeno1) do not do their due diligence and actually read the facts and findings from CAS. It’s all there in black and white yet individuals still don’t have a tube of glue what’s gone on.

Stupid is as stupid does.

 

[eyalluvitt]

Remember that day Klopp bid £110m for Caceido...

How could they afford that, definitely fiddling the lecky

 

[There is a Light]

I think everyone could deal with a 20 point deduction, missing out on Champions League and a level of impact on the clubs growth. It’s not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things, but admission of some kind of guilt or even enabling perception of guilt would be a serious kick in the balls that would be hard to deal with. That would enable questioning of our achievements on the pitch and would be rammed down our collective throats for years and years by social media morons, not to mention justifying the job that the media have done on us down the years.

100% correct decision by the club to tell them to stick their agreement where the sun don’t shine.

 

[paulchapo]

There will be no deal. They had that opportunity over four years. Now they are squirming to find a decent optic for themselves.

Why on earth would we do a deal anyway if we're innocent? The only fear is innocent or not they still stick us with a fine and a points deduction. UEFA did exactly that, a fine and a ban for two years. Luckily we had CAS to go too, not sure if we have such an option this time.

 

[slbsn]

You missed bribery off the list.

I always just assume pure corruption. Saves time

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Why on earth would we do a deal anyway if we're innocent? The only fear is innocent or not they still stick us with a fine and a points deduction. UEFA did exactly that, a fine and a ban for two years. Luckily we had CAS to go too, not sure if we have such an option this time.

It becomes very legal then - will make the last few years look like a parking ticket.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

So it's going to the hearing than ? Surely if the pl are in such a weak position why don't the pl just stop the hearing ?

What good is it going to do for the pl to come out as losers ?

The PL has not got an exit strategy at present and the independent panel is now in charge anyway.

 

[77lost by a point]

Actually, it is true
Friends of ours emigrated to Australia around 20 years ago
My daughter (27 years old) posted pics on Instagram of us at the parade and the Dad commented back something along the lines of "what are you celebrating for? You've got 115 charges to face"

He's not stupid. He works as a regional manager for one of the largest banks in Australia and is a lifetime Ipswich supporter

There you have it, a new category to add to the know all know fuckall community The Ipswich / other teams Emigrant.

 

[Stoned Rose]

Ok I'll explain why I think 20 points is a likely outcome. It's a penalty that is severe enough to be significant (and outweigh the penalties given to Forest and Everton, meaning fans of other clubs can shut up about City not having to take their medicine) whilst simultaneously not actually affecting City that much as with a 20 point deduction they are likely to still qualify for the CL etc.

My hypothesis is based on how businesses operate. Also regarding guilt or otherwise - there are shades of grey always when it comes to legal proceedings and even if you know you are totally innocent there's always the fear that the court/jury etc don't see it that way - maybe the opposition lawyer spins a great story, maybe there's inherent bias on the part of the jury etc.

Which is why I think they won't want to risk it. They'll take a penalty 'in the interests of putting the matter to bed' whilst simultaneously maintaining innocence and stating dissatisfaction with the whole process, both sides move on, and in a couple of years the City fans sit back with popcorn watching Chelsea get bent over a desk by the PL before they go in dry.

All opinion, probably worth fuck all, I've absolutely zero inside info etc.

This is the kid who was gleefully telling us how the Tarquin’s draw at ours was a top result the other week.

He’s a wum dressed in sheep’s clothing.

 

[cheekybids]

They couldn't appeal the verdict, just the process if they felt CAS had abused due process. That's pretty well the same for us with the PL. There has to be very narrow and specific grounds for an appeal to the courts and Swiss Courts have rarely, if ever, gone against CAS.

What about if we picked the judges & bribed them…..

 

[eastmanc]

Unless the PL has some amazing evidence, the club is in a much stronger position with the PL allegations now than it was with UEFA in 2014. I just can't see a settlement unless it is on very favourable terms to the club, whether publicly or behind the scenes.

I agree. In the eyes of every football fan, apart from City fans, that agreement was seen as an admission of guilt.

 

[BlueAnorak]

A classic example of how City's "crimes" were just how every club operated pre-2010.

Still do, judging by the fact a few teams (not City) are under HMRC investigation.

 

[eastmanc]

Still do, judging by the fact a few teams (not City) are under HMRC investigation.

Aren't ushited under investigation.

 

[eastmanc]

The PL has not got an exit strategy at present and the independent panel is now in charge anyway.

They have painted themselves into a corner.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Aren't ushited under investigation.

£100 million tax bill isn’t it? No wonder scruffy Jim is offering voluntary redundancies to their staff.

 

[RobinHood]

So to cut a deal we’d accept a 20 point deduction when we’re innocent leading to everybody assuming we were guilty all along…

Alrighty then

You can't make it up...oh wait... I think he did.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

The thing with the emails which were released after the CAS case which needs to be understood is that when City officials represented the club at CAS, they'd have done so in the knowledge that if Pinto had accessed and leaked a small handful of emails, there's every chance he'd have more.

With that in mind, do you really think they'd be dumb enough to perjure themselves by lying their way out of the first batch of emails? They'll have approached the witness bench with the mindset that every email the club has ever sent under the Sheikh's tenure might soon be publicly available.

Suggesting they lied and are now backtracking having been taken completely by surprise by a new batch of emails is fucking naive to say the least.

 

[Stoned Rose]

I’ve heard the 20 points rumour from a completely independent source, a corporate lawyer, not practicing in sport. He was at a social in London where a lawyer who has represented other PL clubs and PL players was talking after a few glasses of truth serum had been consumed. He said the PL offered a £50m fine plus 20 point deduction because the IC is completely overwhelmed by the volume and strength of City’s written submissions to the Panel. The offer got the response it deserved. Simon Jordan and Nick Harris are now saying a settlement is on the cards. Sounds like the PL are on the run, they have absolutely botched this and Masters will probably resign first, during the summer. The PL are banking on the constant negative PR forcing City into a settlement, Khaldoon said never again and he meant it. We have taken this shite for years now, we collectively must not buckle one iota. Keep fighting Blues !

As lovely as your post sounds, none of that happened other than in your own head, did it?

 

[silva_is_gold]

True to form right up until the end. Lol

:-)

 

[Centurions]

Excellently put my friend.

It’s baffling how many morons (@bridgeno1) do not do their due diligence and actually read the facts and findings from CAS. It’s all there in black and white yet individuals still don’t have a tube of glue what’s gone on.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Due diligence? What do you think the purpose of twatter is?