The Conservative Party

SkyBlueFlux said:
Precisely, all of these polls that predict a complete collapse of the Tory vote necessarily have Reform getting between 11-15%. My opinion is that the slaughter might not be quite so severe, because smaller parties tend to be overrepresented in polling so it wouldn't surprise me if Reform only managed about 8%.

So anything that can actually crystallise that higher vote share into reality would be much welcomed. It could be the difference between "bad", and "Lib Dems are now the opposition". We can dream...
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Agree, the polling for the Greens tends to slowly rise to over 5% at times outside an election cycle but when it comes to the crunch they tend to get circa 3%.

Alan Harper's Tash said:
It may come to pass. Maybe this is Farage trying to obliterate the Tories, before offering to become their leader for the next election.

Farage does things for himself only.
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I have no idea what the beef is with Tice and Farage but they clearly don't like each other. Is Farage done with Reform but has no choice but to help them as the gammon party de jeur?
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
Precisely, all of these polls that predict a complete collapse of the Tory vote necessarily have Reform getting between 11-15%. My opinion is that the slaughter might not be quite so severe, because smaller parties tend to be overrepresented in polling so it wouldn't surprise me if Reform only managed about 8%.

So anything that can actually crystallise that higher vote share into reality would be much welcomed. It could be the difference between "bad", and "Lib Dems are now the opposition". We can dream...
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In the past, the Tories have dome less well in the polls because of the 'shy Tories' statistical bias. Or as I like to call it, the 'embarrassed to admit they vote Tory'.

The shake-up of the Tories post election is going to be interesting. There is certainly going to be a battle for supremacy among the One Nation Tories and the far right element.

The Tories have seemingly failed to capture enough far right support to outnumber the right centrists they abandoned. I can imagine if the Tories had stayed where they were in terms of ideology pre Brexit (i.e. centre right) they would lose considerably fewer seats in July.

If Labour do give 16 and 17 year olds the vote, it could be a long time until the Tories are in Government. I expect they would certainly have to shift left to do so or at least not look to continually make life shite for youngsters.
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
Precisely, all of these polls that predict a complete collapse of the Tory vote necessarily have Reform getting between 11-15%. My opinion is that the slaughter might not be quite so severe, because smaller parties tend to be overrepresented in polling so it wouldn't surprise me if Reform only managed about 8%.

So anything that can actually crystallise that higher vote share into reality would be much welcomed. It could be the difference between "bad", and "Lib Dems are now the opposition". We can dream...
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What a surprise…
 
bluethrunthru said:
another privatisation/outsourcing success

www.forces.net

Damning figures for UK military recruitment with 54% giving up on the process last year

The British Army has reportedly become the worst performing branch due to poor recruitment numbers, according to a report.
www.forces.net www.forces.net
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Pop down to fountain st, do some tests and collect a few quid (Queens shilling) wait a week or two for a travel warrant to Sutton Coldfield. Stay at Sutton for a few days for induction to decide which regt for your 18 week basic training.

Go home wait for warrant for basic training again about 2 weeks, go home after basic training and wait for your warrant to go to your regt.

Have things changed?
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:


What a surprise…
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He struck a similar deal in 2019, so yes, should have seen this angle coming. Eventually people might wise up and realise he’s not interested in helping people or winning elections. He’s just a species of Tory with an attention-seeking complex doing the bidding of Putin (knowingly or unknowingly) by sowing discord.
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
He struck a similar deal in 2019, so yes, should have seen this angle coming. Eventually people might wise up and realise he’s not interested in helping people or winning elections. He’s just a species of Tory with an attention-seeking complex doing the bidding of Putin (knowingly or unknowingly) by sowing discord.
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Can’t actually win an election, but likes to see himself as the kingmaker.

It’ll be hard for Sunak to resist a deal though as he’d go down as the leader of party with the worst election result of all time.

Hope he does stand firm though as that will kill Farage’s influence stone dead in an instant.

Just need to get to the day where all the candidates are announced.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Can’t actually win an election, but likes to see himself as the kingmaker.

It’ll be hard for Sunak to resist a deal though as he’d go down as the leader of party with the worst election result of all time.

Hope he does stand firm though as that will kill Farage’s influence stone dead in an instant.

Just need to get to the day where all the candidates are announced.
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Sunak is going to lose either way. He should tell farage to stand himself.
 
Gareth Barry Conlon said:
Sunak is going to lose either way. He should tell farage to stand himself.
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True, but for the Tories to begin their recovery, they need to cut the snake’s head off.

Whoever leads them in the 2029 GE is likely to face the same shite from Farage, so the best thing Sunak can do now is make him irrelevant in this election.
 
blue b4 the moon said:
Grifting ****, he'd sell his granny for a quid.
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