PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[ayrshire_blue]

My long term optimist up the fucking blues thoughts is that it will relate to both. Initially the ATP amendment where we'll prove they're inventing rules with the sole fucking reason of stopping us, they're not lawful, and they're certainly not in good faith.

We'll be proved innocent in the 115 regardless of all of this (because we're genuinely innocent), so all we're left with is how the PL and some particular clubs will deal with being shown up for trying to stitch us up.

Not sure, but think that's where my heart's going.

6 fuckin minutes these positive thoughts lasted before Stefan tells us it's all normal procedure and no big deal. Fuck sake man give us half an hour, enough of your good faith shite =)

 

[cheekybids]

I’d like to see Ziegler caught up in this as well.

Master “envelope has just been delivered! You can run the story.”

 

[wolviedinho]

Agreed.

If City allege over these next few weeks that there has been communication to conspire & damage them which is denied & then it’s revealed in the 115 hearing where would that leave us.

Maybe we will finally get that gold premier league trophy -:)

I know both cases have to play out but due to the high stakes a settlement of some sort must be on the cards. If City have the proof required and the league has nothing but emails then I can’t comprehend the level of incompetence on show. Absolutely crazy.

Innuendo is not enough in a case that has gripped the country and driven the red teams feverishly delirious.

City seem to be coming out swinging now. The league is certainly on shaky ground. Let’s hope those messages once uncovered set the scene of hate that we are witnessing against city on the rampant unfiltered socials.

 

[cheekybids]

6 fuckin minutes these positive thoughts lasted before Stefan tells us it's all normal procedure and no big deal. Fuck sake man give us half an hour, enough of your good faith shite =)

Everything’s normal procedure, that’s the law but surely not every case asks for 15 years of communication. So there’s normal that it’s perfectly reasonable & normal where it happens all the time. I don’t think it’s the latter.

 

[mexico1970]

We are approaching vinegar strokes right now, but it doesn't really matter if we haven't done anything because we would have "gotten away with it", the sport I grew up with in my blood is killing itself because of plastic cunts with loud social media accounts.

 

[wolviedinho]

Have city requested this or has the panel requested it (independently of City)? as @projectriver has suggested as part of standard procedure. If they have asked for all comms referencing Manchester City dating back to 2009 from both parties (PL side and City side) then they may just get swamped with material from City that may take a little while to process :-)

Seems to be part of the procedure. You never know what is uncovered during a data dump of this size. City have been made to look guilty of disguised owner funding by a handful of emails. Let’s see how bad we can make the league look with hopefully thousands of messages showing why they constantly made up rules to snare the club and who was behind it.

At the very least we should be able to show tyranny of the majority -:)

Arsenal headed paper anyone? Calling Soriano a terrorist and “bad day for football” is a good starting point. Oh and Wenger with his financial doping nonsense.

The focus on attacks seemed to be coming mainly from the rags and dips but just maybe Arsenal and spurs are the main protagonists.

 

[argyle]

Of course it’s standard but without question one of the red cartel has made a request, made comments about us in a discriminatory way and had a response from someone!

It isn't illegal for another club to lobby the PL, asking what is happening with the investigation, etc. It's a dick move, but not illegal.

It's possible but I doubt that any evidence of collusion and corruption will be found.

Just as there is no evidence of fraud in our own emails.

 

[Winchester]

It isn't illegal for another club to lobby the PL, asking what is happening with the investigation, etc. It's a dick move, but not illegal.

It's possible but I doubt that any evidence of collusion and corruption will be found.

Just as there is no evidence of fraud in our own emails.

The plot doth thicken!

 

[Stoned Rose]

Everything’s normal procedure, that’s the law but surely not every case asks for 15 years of communication. So there’s normal that it’s perfectly reasonable & normal where it happens all the time. I don’t think it’s the latter.

I agree mate.

There’s no way it’s standard procedure for every communication over the previous 15 years to be requested,

 

[MCFC84000]

6 fuckin minutes these positive thoughts lasted before Stefan tells us it's all normal procedure and no big deal. Fuck sake man give us half an hour, enough of your good faith shite =)

pmsl I was just thinking that.

 

[silva_is_gold]

City, the team I support unconditionally, are a fantastic football club.

You cannot pick and choose who you support, it's in your bones from your earliest memory.

Half and half scarfers, selfie stick wavers and bandwagon jumpers just don't understand.

Personally, I've seen us win the league cup with Dennis's overhead kick, seen us miss out on the division 1 title by a point and reach the centenary FA cup final in '81, the result of which still hurts.

David fkin Pleat, skipping across the pitch, dropping into division 2 and rising like a Phoenix, thanks to Joe and KK to get back to the PL.

The take over in 2008, not really knowing what to expect, the media even back then couldn't help themselves, sneering and belittling us.

Roberto breaking the mould, winning the FA cup, beating the rags on route..

The PL title in 2012, so nearly typical City too..

Manuel winning our first double in 2014, an achievement once again shockingly ignored by the media at the time.

Pep, what can I say, Pep, agreeing to manage us.

Fundamentally changed the game of football in this Country dispite being dismissed as out of his depth joining the PL..

"His brand of football won't work in England, we lump it up to the big man and work on knockdowns and second balls, none of this tippy tappy nonsense for us, thank you very much"..

What a fkin journey we've been on since..

Doubles
Trebles
Quadruples
Champions League
European Super Cup
World Club Champions
100 points
Most home wins in a season
Most away wins in a season
Biggest point margin in winning the PL
Best team in England over the last decade to name but a few of our achievements.

All achieved by not breaking the bank, dispite the laughable notion that we can spend what we want..

On the other spin of the coin, during all this time..

The rags..
Won nothing of note for 11 years.
Best part of a £billon in debt and absolutely no direction.

Dilapidated stadium and failing FFP this season which didn't so much as cause a murmur in the media.

Lift carpet, sweep under and move on.

The dippers..
Dispite having the best manager and the best players in every position, have been completely in our shadow since bingo rocked up there.

One PL* win since it's inception in 1993 and beating a shit spuds team in a CL final which the dippers reached despite losing 4 games on the way.

Sponsored by a money laundering, terrorist supporting bank.

The other stuff they managed to win was mainly on penalties after failing to score a single goal in 120 minutes of play..

Bingo, this season saw his arse and fucked off mid season, a broken man..

Maybe he knows something is coming over the hill regarding the shit we've had thrown at us and has decided to fcuk off now..

Personally, I must say, "it was a good day for football when bingo decided to jack it in"

The tarquins..
Bottlers, drama queens and losers.
The only team to win consecutive titles at Christmas..

Sponsered by Rwanda who's human rights record is shocking.

Spent more than us over the last 2 seasons at least and won fcuk all..

Not a peep from the media as you would expect.

Spuds..
Won fcuk all in my lifetime or most peoples lifetimes to be fair.

Irrelevant, trophy dodgers extrodinaire..

Absolutely no morals..
Main shareholder has been convicted for insider trading in the US.

Annoying little brother of the above 3..

Fast forward to today..

We have just won our 4th straight PL title, just missed out on a first ever double double too..

No respect, acknowledgement or recognition from the media for our outstanding, never been done before in the history of English football, achievement..

We are not the biggest spenders, we are a fantastically well run, managed and owned club..

We have been a fantastically well run, managed and owned club since our takeover in 2008.

The red shits and their little brother, along with the media, SKY and TNT cannot and will not accept or acknowledge our achievements as they think we are cheats..

Well, listen up, CITY are not cheats, dispite already being hung drawn and quartered by all the twats who have their snouts firmly wedged in the red shirted trough.

It's been said before and I want to say it again, once we are cleared, no doubt we will be hit with a none cooperation charge though, I sincerely hope we go after each and every **** that has besmirched our name..

These twats have no respect for themselves or their positions within the media.

Driven by monetary greed, they'd sell their own grandmother rather than report facts, absolutely no respect for themselves..

What a despicable life these mugs must lead..

Please get them ruined City, it will be scant compensation for all the shit we have had to put up with over the years..!

 

[Newman Noggs]

The problem with deleting emails and messages is that you can never be certain what the opposing party already has in their possession. Deleting something which is then produced strikes at the honesty of the whole process and is probably fatal to your case.

Similarly, claiming you haven't kept them enables the opposing party to produce them and draw inferences from them, and also from the fact that they have been deleted. Not a good look.

Better to produce everything you have and take the consequences. Maybe there was something in Tolmie's claim concerning the PL looking for a settlement.

As usual with Ziegler, his article tells only part of the story. Disclosure is routine, but we don't know if the PL has tried to push back on what is a very onerous requirement by arguing, unsuccessfully obviously, something like "irrelevance" to the charges (as some on here have suggested).

One thing's for sure, it's getting very interesting.

 

[BringBackSwales]

Just ask Rui Pinto to get the fucking emails

 

[MCC]

"Organised and clear"as a wise man once said.

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

Quite simply the best post I've ever read on Bluemoon during the last 12 years of regular, almost daily reading. Well done Sir.

Nah - should have expanded more on the brilliance of Mancini for my liking........... ;-)

 

[Gingers Dad]

Who still has text messages from 15 years ago?

Your Mrs

 

[remember arthur mann]

Living up to your username with that last line : )

Get off your horse and drink your milk?

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

City, the team I support unconditionally, are a fantastic football club.

You cannot pick and choose who you support, it's in your bones from your earliest memory.

Half and half scarfers, selfie stick wavers and bandwagon jumpers just don't understand.

Personally, I've seen us win the league cup with Dennis's overhead kick, seen us miss out on the division 1 title by a point and reach the centenary FA cup final in '81, the result of which still hurts.

David fkin Pleat, skipping across the pitch, dropping into division 2 and rising like a Phoenix, thanks to Joe and KK to get back to the PL.

The take over in 2008, not really knowing what to expect, the media even back then couldn't help themselves, sneering and belittling us.

Roberto breaking the mould, winning the FA cup, beating the rags on route..

The PL title in 2012, so nearly typical City too..

Manuel winning our first double in 2014, an achievement once again shockingly ignored by the media at the time.

Pep, what can I say, Pep, agreeing to manage us.

Fundamentally changed the game of football in this Country dispite being dismissed as out of his depth joining the PL..

"His brand of football won't work in England, we lump it up to the big man and work on knockdowns and second balls, none of this tippy tappy nonsense for us, thank you very much"..

What a fkin journey we've been on since..

Doubles
Trebles
Quadruples
Champions League
European Super Cup
World Club Champions
100 points
Most home wins in a season
Most away wins in a season
Biggest point margin in winning the PL
Best team in England over the last decade to name but a few of our achievements.

All achieved by not breaking the bank, dispite the laughable notion that we can spend what we want..

On the other spin of the coin, during all this time..

The rags..
Won nothing of note for 11 years.
Best part of a £billon in debt and absolutely no direction.

Dilapidated stadium and failing FFP this season which didn't so much as cause a murmur in the media.

Lift carpet, sweep under and move on.

The dippers..
Dispite having the best manager and the best players in every position, have been completely in our shadow since bingo rocked up there.

One PL* win since it's inception in 1993 and beating a shit spuds team in a CL final which the dippers reached despite losing 4 games on the way.

Sponsored by a money laundering, terrorist supporting bank.

The other stuff they managed to win was mainly on penalties after failing to score a single goal in 120 minutes of play..

Bingo, this season saw his arse and fucked off mid season, a broken man..

Maybe he knows something is coming over the hill regarding the shit we've had thrown at us and has decided to fcuk off now..

Personally, I must say, "it was a good day for football when bingo decided to jack it in"

The tarquins..
Bottlers, drama queens and losers.
The only team to win consecutive titles at Christmas..

Sponsered by Rwanda who's human rights record is shocking.

Spent more than us over the last 2 seasons at least and won fcuk all..

Not a peep from the media as you would expect.

Spuds..
Won fcuk all in my lifetime or most peoples lifetimes to be fair.

Irrelevant, trophy dodgers extrodinaire..

Absolutely no morals..
Main shareholder has been convicted for insider trading in the US.

Annoying little brother of the above 3..

Fast forward to today..

We have just won our 4th straight PL title, just missed out on a first ever double double too..

No respect, acknowledgement or recognition from the media for our outstanding, never been done before in the history of English football, achievement..

We are not the biggest spenders, we are a fantastically well run, managed and owned club..

We have been a fantastically well run, managed and owned club since our takeover in 2008.

The red shits and their little brother, along with the media, SKY and TNT cannot and will not accept or acknowledge our achievements as they think we are cheats..

Well, listen up, CITY are not cheats, dispite already being hung drawn and quartered by all the twats who have their snouts firmly wedged in the red shirted trough.

It's been said before and I want to say it again, once we are cleared, no doubt we will be hit with a none cooperation charge though, I sincerely hope we go after each and every **** that has besmirched our name..

These twats have no respect for themselves or their positions within the media.

Driven by monetary greed, they'd sell their own grandmother rather than report facts, absolutely no respect for themselves..

What a despicable life these mugs must lead..

Please get them ruined City, it will be scant compensation for all the shit we have had to put up with over the years..!

But on the other hand……..



One of the finest posts ever. Well said sir.

 

[KS55]

Is there a way to check any deleted emails? Besides the junk folder which they would obviously empty? ie, could a computer specialist if required confirm if any emails were indeed deleted?

I’m sure you can recover deleted stuff from the hard drive if you have enough knowledge. The police do it all the time.

 

[KS55]

City, the team I support unconditionally, are a fantastic football club.

You cannot pick and choose who you support, it's in your bones from your earliest memory.

Half and half scarfers, selfie stick wavers and bandwagon jumpers just don't understand.

Personally, I've seen us win the league cup with Dennis's overhead kick, seen us miss out on the division 1 title by a point and reach the centenary FA cup final in '81, the result of which still hurts.

David fkin Pleat, skipping across the pitch, dropping into division 2 and rising like a Phoenix, thanks to Joe and KK to get back to the PL.

The take over in 2008, not really knowing what to expect, the media even back then couldn't help themselves, sneering and belittling us.

Roberto breaking the mould, winning the FA cup, beating the rags on route..

The PL title in 2012, so nearly typical City too..

Manuel winning our first double in 2014, an achievement once again shockingly ignored by the media at the time.

Pep, what can I say, Pep, agreeing to manage us.

Fundamentally changed the game of football in this Country dispite being dismissed as out of his depth joining the PL..

"His brand of football won't work in England, we lump it up to the big man and work on knockdowns and second balls, none of this tippy tappy nonsense for us, thank you very much"..

What a fkin journey we've been on since..

Doubles
Trebles
Quadruples
Champions League
European Super Cup
World Club Champions
100 points
Most home wins in a season
Most away wins in a season
Biggest point margin in winning the PL
Best team in England over the last decade to name but a few of our achievements.

All achieved by not breaking the bank, dispite the laughable notion that we can spend what we want..

On the other spin of the coin, during all this time..

The rags..
Won nothing of note for 11 years.
Best part of a £billon in debt and absolutely no direction.

Dilapidated stadium and failing FFP this season which didn't so much as cause a murmur in the media.

Lift carpet, sweep under and move on.

The dippers..
Dispite having the best manager and the best players in every position, have been completely in our shadow since bingo rocked up there.

One PL* win since it's inception in 1993 and beating a shit spuds team in a CL final which the dippers reached despite losing 4 games on the way.

Sponsored by a money laundering, terrorist supporting bank.

The other stuff they managed to win was mainly on penalties after failing to score a single goal in 120 minutes of play..

Bingo, this season saw his arse and fucked off mid season, a broken man..

Maybe he knows something is coming over the hill regarding the shit we've had thrown at us and has decided to fcuk off now..

Personally, I must say, "it was a good day for football when bingo decided to jack it in"

The tarquins..
Bottlers, drama queens and losers.
The only team to win consecutive titles at Christmas..

Sponsered by Rwanda who's human rights record is shocking.

Spent more than us over the last 2 seasons at least and won fcuk all..

Not a peep from the media as you would expect.

Spuds..
Won fcuk all in my lifetime or most peoples lifetimes to be fair.

Irrelevant, trophy dodgers extrodinaire..

Absolutely no morals..
Main shareholder has been convicted for insider trading in the US.

Annoying little brother of the above 3..

Fast forward to today..

We have just won our 4th straight PL title, just missed out on a first ever double double too..

No respect, acknowledgement or recognition from the media for our outstanding, never been done before in the history of English football, achievement..

We are not the biggest spenders, we are a fantastically well run, managed and owned club..

We have been a fantastically well run, managed and owned club since our takeover in 2008.

The red shits and their little brother, along with the media, SKY and TNT cannot and will not accept or acknowledge our achievements as they think we are cheats..

Well, listen up, CITY are not cheats, dispite already being hung drawn and quartered by all the twats who have their snouts firmly wedged in the red shirted trough.

It's been said before and I want to say it again, once we are cleared, no doubt we will be hit with a none cooperation charge though, I sincerely hope we go after each and every **** that has besmirched our name..

These twats have no respect for themselves or their positions within the media.

Driven by monetary greed, they'd sell their own grandmother rather than report facts, absolutely no respect for themselves..

What a despicable life these mugs must lead..

Please get them ruined City, it will be scant compensation for all the shit we have had to put up with over the years..!

Those journos you mention with their view that Pep ball could not work here just demonstrated their ignorance. Anybody with any nous knew that English football was ripe for a change of direction and junking the hoof ball style: massive improvement in pitches, more scientific training, managers coming in from Europe, stats based analysis etc etc.
By the same token, remember those journos who said you can’t just buy your way to success and are now saying we have bought trophies? Charlatans.