47 | Phil Foden - 2023/24

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Despite being a big fan of Phil, I have to say he almost always looks lacklustre in an England shirt. Blame Southgate’s system if you like but others adapt better … and this isn’t just a recent thing.

He’ll never become a serious Ballond’Or contender until he shines on the international stage.
 
What’s he said that’s wrong? We all know how great he is but tonight he was poor. I said before the game i think he’ll lose his place in the team by the knockout stage. That’s not Phil’s fault, he should be central and the left wing is probably the worst position he could be put in out of the 3/4 he could play.
Pep used him the same way until last season. He was out on the wings and not a nailed-on starter until KDB’s absence allowed Phil to step into a different role.
 
As useless as Southgate is there’s no way he tells Foden to play it safe every single time. Did he make a single pass longer than 10 yards today?
 
Pep used him the same way until last season. He was out on the wings and not a nailed-on starter until KDB’s absence allowed Phil to step into a different role.
So what you're saying is that he wasn't a nailed on starter until he was allowed to play in the middle, at which point he became player of the season in the Premier League. And then Southgate decided to play him on the left again.
 
As soon as I saw the line-up I knew he’d be out on the left and not in the number 10 role.

Bellingham is a great player but he hardly played any balls in behind to Kane up front like Phil would’ve done if he was there.

A lot of the play for England seems to go through Saka on the right, he was getting a lot of success in the first half then couldn’t beat his man second half and when that creative avenue closed the rest of the players didn’t know how to adapt and just hung on to the lead essentially.
 
Despite being a big fan of Phil, I have to say he almost always looks lacklustre in an England shirt. Blame Southgate’s system if you like but others adapt better … and this isn’t just a recent thing.

He’ll never become a serious Ballond’Or contender until he shines on the international stage.
With us he has forward runners,

The whole England set up is a shit show if you watch tactically.

Kane basically playing CDM

Rice 3 feet away from ‘Trent’

It’s really bad
 
Despite being a big fan of Phil, I have to say he almost always looks lacklustre in an England shirt. Blame Southgate’s system if you like but others adapt better … and this isn’t just a recent thing.

He’ll never become a serious Ballond’Or contender until he shines on the international stage.

He's too nice.

He's happy to lay the ball off for others. Doesn't demand it aggresively enough for England.

Having said that shoehorn Bellingham out on the left and see how well he does there.
 
Isolated on the left. Isolated in the middle. Nobody has the vision or technical ability to pass to him in the little pockets of space he inhabits. He didn’t play badly. Linked others when he could. Southgate has zero clue how to get the best of him. Really sad to see.

The only positive is that if England play like that with Sirs Harry, Jude and Trent we will be lucky to make the quarters.
Oh and the BBC commentators make me want to wretch. Shearer in particular gives me the dry boke.
 
Space taken up by bellingham - better coming from the right - trippier needs help defensively - playing too deep because he's largely ignored - a fucking legend for us - absolutely nothing new.
 
He's too nice.

He's happy to lay the ball off for others. Doesn't demand it aggresively enough for England.

Having said that shoehorn Bellingham out on the left and see how well he does there.
Yep. He needs to just think fuck it and do what we know hes about.
 
He was piss poor and anyone who thinks that was Southgate needs to give their head a wobble. An excellent player in blue but awful tonight. Showcased by him giving the ball away when an easy pass inside was on, winning a free kick to release pressure, he then took quickly and gave away.

He needs to shout louder and make more of an impression on the game. It's down to him even if it's inarguable Southgate doesn't know how to use him
 
He was piss poor and anyone who thinks that was Southgate needs to give their head a wobble. An excellent player in blue but awful tonight. Showcased by him giving the ball away when an easy pass inside was on, winning a free kick to release pressure, he then took quickly and gave away.

He needs to shout louder and make more of an impression on the game. It's down to him even if it's inarguable Southgate doesn't know how to use him
It's sad when folk are on his case here, BBCs haters are just par for the course. Phil needs to play in a system that uses his skills, Baghead is incapable of setting that up.
 
It's sad when folk are on his case here, BBCs haters are just par for the course. Phil needs to play in a system that uses his skills, Baghead is incapable of setting that up.

I love Phil, but he was shite tonight. It happens, but it's not all on Southgate. Plenty of basic things he didn't do right. Just needs to play with the same confidence he does with us, turn and shoot or take people on. Keep demanding the ball and trying to make things happen. That's all it takes to be seemed a great player in an England shirt.
 
Even Pep doesn't play him wide left and we do have the better balanced side.
Hes played a huge amount of minutes at AML, particularly in 2020/21 when we won the league, won the efl, lost in the UCL final coz of pep and lost in the semis of the fa cup - and he was the best player on the pitch very very often. He can play there - for sure, the whole problem is the setup with England. Yes he's better on the rightside of midfield cutting in, but he's languishing outside on the left for England because of the whole makeup of the squad is to let Bellingham do what the fuck he wants and everything else is pure fucking throw shit at the wall.
 
Hes played a huge amount of minutes at AML, particularly in 2020/21 when we won the league, won the efl, lost in the UCL final coz of pep and lost in the semis of the fa cup - and he was the best player on the pitch very very often. He can play there - for sure, the whole problem is the setup with England. Yes he's better on the rightside of midfield cutting in, but he's languishing outside on the left for England because of the whole makeup of the squad is to let Bellingham do what the fuck he wants and everything else is pure fucking throw shit at the wall.
But I wouldn't call the 2020-21 season his very best season at City and his most effective position is the one he is currently playing at his club side.
 
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