England Squad - Euro 2024

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That's generous!

Not sure where to start with last night. So many issues he just can't get a handle on. For some reason he isn't going to try something different. The comments on replacing Kalvin Phillips were insane.

Kane needs a kicking from the squad for his lethargic performance and for that horror pass which led to their goal. Watkins did more in 5 mins than Kane did, stretching the play. Trouble is he won't score at the same rate and Gareth will never allow his players to get up in support for fear they might concede.

Pickford needs a kicking from the squad for giving the ball away continuously.

I watched him hoof it straight to Denmark, then go mental at the players for allowing them to create a chance. I noticed Stones giving him a bit back at times. If you give the ball to a team mate Jordan you might have a bit less to do.

Ultimately, this was a tournament too far for Gareth. That disaster of a Nations League performance should have had him axed. The fans had turned on him, he wasn't fully into it anymore and that was the time to say goodbye.
 
People who don't watch football (put flags on their cars, put England bobbles on their kids hair etc...) , apart from the tournaments, love Southgate.
They blame the 'overpaid players'!

To those who live football 24/7 he's clueless. He took 'Boro down ans is completely-out of his depth .

But he speaks well and won't have a chequered past, so the suits in FA Towers love him
 
Fair play to southgate once he saw Phil and Saka were getting into the game and beginning to make things happen, southgate subbed them both off. Some how bellend stayed on.

I have watched more games than I normally would at international level this week. Every team bar England have clear tactics, Spain, Germany play good football.

England look like a group of pub players that have won a raffle to play in the Euros.

I heard southgate say that playing taa in midfield is an experiment, who experiments in the finals !

Every man and his dog is saying Foden plays 10 bellend plays 8.

I said as England walked out for the second half they don't looked happy. They weren't coming out with the look of just been given a bollocking, or fresh instructions.
They had a look of what the fuck is going on lol.
 
The moment Kane(pen) stroked another of his usual tap-ins into the net we all of us knew what was coming next - retreat and sit on the lead. And so it proved, as once again an England manager fucks up because he has little or no tactical nous and appears to just make things up as he goes along.

All the comments here lamenting England's embarrassing performance, could easily have been written a year ago, stored on your hard drive and posted today, and then posted again after the next Waistcoat-inspired debacle.

There are, to my knowledge, many BlueMoon posters who have a great deal of knowledge regarding the game. They are tactically aware, they see things that the average professional pundit doesn't (or won't) see, and they are extremely articulate in expressing their views. I make no secret of the fact that I have learned a lot from my fellow BM'ers about game strategies, tactical awareness and the gumption to make changes if and when needed.

The man currently in charge of our national team has none of these.
 
KentBlue said:
There are, to my knowledge, many BlueMoon posters who have a great deal of knowledge regarding the game. They are tactically aware, they see things that the average professional pundit doesn't (or won't) see, and they are extremely articulate in expressing their views. I make no secret of the fact that I have learned a lot from my fellow BM'ers about game strategies, tactical awareness and the gumption to make changes if and when needed.
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The thing is, I think a lot of it is more common sense than great tactical knowledge.

I think with international football you have to go with logic and common sense because of the limited time you get to work with players. Southgate seems to lack this.

For example, every man and his dog knows Phil would he better in Bellingham's current position and Bellingham can drop a bit deeper. Even the pundits are now calling for it. The only person that doesn't seem interesting in trying it is Gareth. Maybe be will try it next game, I doubt it, but if he does and it works then you still have to ask why everyone could see it well before he could.

Many of us here said before the start of the Euro's that playing Arnold in midfield is such a terrible idea. Even Wayne Rooney said he would have Arnold nowhere near the midfield before a ball was even kicked at the tournament. We can all see it, yet Southgate plays him there and calls it an "experiment".

It is what it is. He's a piss poor coach. Just because you had a decent career as a player it doesn't mean you're cut out for coaching a team. You see it in boxing all the time, some of the greatest and smartest boxers in the ring were actually terrible trainers.

I don't expect much to change in the tournament. He will probably double down on some things rather than look like he's being influenced by the noise. He will probably drop Phil rather than make Bellingham play a bit deeper.
 
mattcity5 said:
I could understand it if it was prime Roberto Carlos, but it's Luke frigging Shaw!
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I think Shaw an OK left back when fit but it does give an insight into Southgate's mind.

He takes an injured Shaw as if he's Roberto Carlos and he's bringing up missing Kalvin Phillps in post match interviews as if its like losing Rodri or Busquets or something. He seems to have a very skewed perception of players abilities.
 
give it to gordon said:
Odd isn't southgate said its not the game plan to sit deep after scoring, so why does the team do it ?
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Then why wasn't he stood on the sideline giving them a rocket?!

Bizarre.

I'm torn between thinking it's a clear strategy to sit in and trot about to save energy for the knockouts and just us being absolutely shite. Logic tells me it's the latter. But I'm hoping it's the former and he doesn't want us to work too hard in the group stage when ultimately we've already qualified now and can hopefully have more in the tank for when it matters.

I think it's a stupid approach if that is what he's doing. You give it max then make 5 subs and they also give it their max. Spain last night were only 1-0 up and still made changes to some key players in order to bring fresh legs on. They trust the squad and trust the approach. Southgate doesn't trust either.
 
give it to gordon said:
Odd isn't southgate said its not the game plan to sit deep after scoring, so why does the team do it ?
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Walker was asked about it after the match, said it wasn't planned, but they were all starting to think negatively about "what if this happens" and "what if that happens", so they all go safety first, stop making runs, stop looking fir the ball, stop playing passes that 'may' be risky, etc.

Results in backs against the wall and everyone treating the ball as if it were a hand grenade.

None of which happens at City, which is interesting. Stones always wanted to ball and was calm 99% of the time, but as Pep said, he's got "massive balls". It seems a lot of the others don't have.
 
Crooked_rain said:
I think Shaw an OK left back when fit but it does give an insight into Southgate's mind.

He takes an injured Shaw as if he's Roberto Carlos and he's bringing up missing Kalvin Phillps in post match interviews as if its like losing Rodri or Busquets or something. He seems to have a very skewed perception of players abilities.
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When Shaw was injured Southgate should have been trying to integrate Tyrick Mitchell into the squad at least, especially the form Palace were in towards the end of the season. But that said, it could have given us a left side defence who play for Palace, and as such have never played in Europe and not played competence internationals.

I could personally see the value in taking Grealish, as he's used to winning things and always wants the ball. That and his form were kind of the opposite of picking Palace players.

Guehi's done well defensively despite a couple of scares, but he doesn't really want the ball ever. We just end up scared of losing but less likely to win because of it.

And what Luke Shaw knows about winning I have no idea.
 
mattcity5 said:
Walker was asked about it after the match, said it wasn't planned, but they were all starting to think negatively about "what if this happens" and "what if that happens", so they all go safety first, stop making runs, stop looking fir the ball, stop playing passes that 'may' be risky, etc.

Results in backs against the wall and everyone treating the ball as if it were a hand grenade.

None of which happens at City, which is interesting. Stones always wanted to ball and was calm 99% of the time, but as Pep said, he's got "massive balls". It seems a lot of the others don't have.
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Maybe it's not a direct instruction on match day to sit deep after scoring but I think maybe it's an attitude or energy or something that comes from the coaching staff. Something in the coaching sessions seeping into what happens on the pitch.

There's plenty of players that play for clubs every week that don't sit back once they go a goal up. The city players aren't used to doing that, Saka and Rice don't play for a side that does it, Bellingham doesn't at Madrid etc.

There has to be something off the pitch that causes it.
 
mattcity5 said:
Walker was asked about it after the match, said it wasn't planned, but they were all starting to think negatively about "what if this happens" and "what if that happens", so they all go safety first, stop making runs, stop looking fir the ball, stop playing passes that 'may' be risky, etc.

Results in backs against the wall and everyone treating the ball as if it were a hand grenade.

None of which happens at City, which is interesting. Stones always wanted to ball and was calm 99% of the time, but as Pep said, he's got "massive balls". It seems a lot of the others don't have.
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Its quite simply a lack of technical ability , every city player is used to receiving the ball in tight spaces and moving it on and there is always a person to move it on to, the england players do not have that technical ability its just that simple,

Pickford - good shot stopper but awful distribution and panics when closed down
Guehi - great defender but doesnt want the ball when anyone is near him
Twont - loves a hollywood ball but loses the ball almost everytime when pushed and then doesnt move the ball on efficiently
Bellingham - same as twent, throws himself to the floor if pushed and needs time and space to do anything but doesnt create it.

None of the team want the ball and want to move it on and consequently we get pressed and lose it consistently.
 
Southgate is getting absolute pelters from all corners this morning.

Maybe he’ll wake the fuck up after hearing all this.
 
Crooked_rain said:
Maybe it's not a direct instruction on match day to sit deep after scoring but I think maybe it's an attitude or energy or something that comes from the coaching staff. Something in the coaching sessions seeping into what happens on the pitch.

There's plenty of players that play for clubs every week that don't sit back once they go a goal up. The city players aren't used to doing that, Saka and Rice don't play for a side that does it, Bellingham doesn't at Madrid etc.

There has to be something off the pitch that causes it.
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The players don't trust each other, and that might be natural to some extent because they don't together often, but should be fixed by the coach.
 
The thing that is mad is the players look like they've never played together, and it's down to Southgate changing the way they play which is nothing like the games in the qualifiers or even the fucking friendlies. He has basically given Bellingham the keys to the pitch, and is trying to shoehorn TAA into a role he's never played. After the game he said they don't have a Kalvin Phillips replacement, give me a fucking break mate! One player dropping out doesn't change a whole team, and he's known for at least a year that Phillips was not up to scratch so what's he been doing? He has a spine of players who are used to playing a certain way, but Pickford did 15 long passes in that game even though he's being implored by the City players not to. It's quite simple, the core has to be Stones, Walker, Foden (he should have called up Rico as he at least understands patterns of play), Rice and Saka. The other players then only come in if they can understand the basic concepts of control, Bellingham HAS to be put into one position and instructed that he can't do fucking Cruyff turns in the middle of the pitch. I do think Southgate will react to this, but he just doesn't have the ability to do what's needed.
 
shevtheblue said:
The thing that is mad is the players look like they've never played together, and it's down to Southgate changing the way they play which is nothing like the games in the qualifiers or even the fucking friendlies. He has basically given Bellingham the keys to the pitch, and is trying to shoehorn TAA into a role he's never played. After the game he said they don't have a Kalvin Phillips replacement, give me a fucking break mate! One player dropping out doesn't change a whole team, and he's known for at least a year that Phillips was not up to scratch so what's he been doing? He has a spine of players who are used to playing a certain way, but Pickford did 15 long passes in that game even though he's being implored by the City players not to. It's quite simple, the core has to be Stones, Walker, Foden (he should have called up Rico as he at least understands patterns of play), Rice and Saka. The other players then only come in if they can understand the basic concepts of control, Bellingham HAS to be put into one position and instructed that he can't do fucking Cruyff turns in the middle of the pitch. I do think Southgate will react to this, but he just doesn't have the ability to do what's needed.
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Nor the balls

When have you ever seen Southgate look pissed off at a player during a game and let it be known?

I know every manager has their own style but do you reckon Pep, Lego Head, Ancelotti, Klopp, Mourinho or anyone else would say absolutely nothing when Bellingham or Arnold are giving the ball away so cheaply in the middle of the park again and again? Waistcoat says fuck all, just stands there looking lost.

Players don't mind if you give them a bollocking from the touch line, they're used to it every week so they'd probably actually respect it more. It fires them up. You've seen De Bruyne literally tell Pep to shut the fuck up for screaming at him, but they both love it, it's part of the winners mentality.
 
shevtheblue said:
The thing that is mad is the players look like they've never played together, and it's down to Southgate changing the way they play which is nothing like the games in the qualifiers or even the fucking friendlies. He has basically given Bellingham the keys to the pitch, and is trying to shoehorn TAA into a role he's never played. After the game he said they don't have a Kalvin Phillips replacement, give me a fucking break mate! One player dropping out doesn't change a whole team, and he's known for at least a year that Phillips was not up to scratch so what's he been doing? He has a spine of players who are used to playing a certain way, but Pickford did 15 long passes in that game even though he's being implored by the City players not to. It's quite simple, the core has to be Stones, Walker, Foden (he should have called up Rico as he at least understands patterns of play), Rice and Saka. The other players then only come in if they can understand the basic concepts of control, Bellingham HAS to be put into one position and instructed that he can't do fucking Cruyff turns in the middle of the pitch. I do think Southgate will react to this, but he just doesn't have the ability to do what's needed.
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Totally agree. The one thing he didn't have was time to create a system, so why not pick as many players as he could who were familiar with a similar system, one that has seen City win a load of trophies and Arsenal emerge as the main domestic challenger?

Like Pep did at City, you start by changing the keeper. We could have gone along these lines with Rico inverting from LB and a box midfield. Just then tell them to play the way they play. Bellingham an impact sub if needed.1000019014.jpg
 
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