PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

mancity2012_eamo said:
When you think about it, how would that even work?
Relegated to where. The fixtures are out for the PL and the Championship etc. I would presume.
Coming up with a decision like that now for the coming season would cause far too much disruption, surely.
How would that even be possible at this stage?
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My own view is that it is likely to be a huge points penalty introduced during next season or the 25/26 season. Probably enough to relegate us to the Championship but definitely sufficient to knock us out of Europe. I just don't think they will attempt to relegate us into oblivion.
 
Father Paul said:
My own view is that it is likely to be a huge points penalty introduced during next season or the 25/26 season. Probably enough to relegate us to the Championship but definitely sufficient to knock us out of Europe. I just don't think they will attempt to relegate us into oblivion.
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What makes you think we’re guilty of the serious charges?
 
Father Paul said:
My own view is that it is likely to be a huge points penalty introduced during next season or the 25/26 season. Probably enough to relegate us to the Championship but definitely sufficient to knock us out of Europe. I just don't think they will attempt to relegate us into oblivion.
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Is that a finger in the air thing?
 
Father Paul said:
My own view is that it is likely to be a huge points penalty introduced during next season or the 25/26 season. Probably enough to relegate us to the Championship but definitely sufficient to knock us out of Europe. I just don't think they will attempt to relegate us into oblivion.
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Putting aside your reasons for holding this pessimistic view ( which I disagree with), it's probably too late to reach AND implement a decision of this magnitude all within the coming season - the hearing has still to be arranged and concluded, then the time needed to reach a decision and then the time for an appeal process to be lodged and concluded. So in view of the timescales involved we are probably looking at a decision in the next closed season to allow the whole process to be concluded within 2025/6.
 
Father Paul said:
My own view is that it is likely to be a huge points penalty introduced during next season or the 25/26 season. Probably enough to relegate us to the Championship but definitely sufficient to knock us out of Europe. I just don't think they will attempt to relegate us into oblivion.
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If any punishment is given to us, the evidence must be made public. And it will need to be very convincing indeed.

If it isn’t made public or it isn’t convincing, there will be a fair bit of trouble, I feel.
 
The way I see it, deducting enough points to relegate us would be an exceptional punishment and would require exceptional evidence which I think the PL is extreamly unlikely to have, given there's been no leeks or even the sniff of a rumour to suggest they have anything more than the handfull of flakey e-mails we know about. If they do us anyway without the evidence they will be breaking their own protocols and proceedures and we could then take them to a proper court.
 
Father Paul said:
My own view is that it is likely to be a huge points penalty introduced during next season or the 25/26 season. Probably enough to relegate us to the Championship but definitely sufficient to knock us out of Europe. I just don't think they will attempt to relegate us into oblivion.
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There’s no way you can form such a view and expect to be taken seriously.
 
VOOMER said:
Indeed FFS
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I think it's fair to say some people are just a bit more pessimistic in their outlook on life in general. That is just the way things are. At one or two points I don't mind admitting I have felt a bit down about the whole thing and felt that the PL and Cartel were going to make sure they got their way come whatever, especially with all the constant negative media crap we have had to endure. But then I have had a quick recheck and thought actually no, based on the evidence I have seen City have done nothing significantly wrong I've reminded myself of Khaldoons strong rebuffal of the accusations and thought bring it on.
 
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Churchlawtonblue said:
I think it's fair to say some people are just a bit more pessimistic in their outlook on life in general. That just the way things are. At one or two points I don't mind admitting I have felt a bit down about the whole thing and felt that the PL and Cartel were going to make sure they got their way come whatever, especially with all the constant negative media crap we have had to endure. But then I have had a quick recheck and thought actually no, based on the evidence I have seen City have done nothing significantly wrong I've reminded myself of Khaldoons strong rebuffal of the accusations and thought bring it on.
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Very good post.

There's fuck all to suggest a pile of evidence against us and from Big Kal's comments I'd trust him 100% more than the Prem/media bullshit that's peddled.

Peddling BS can only get you so far and I feel that the 'baddies' have hit a big fuck off dead end.
 
Father Paul said:
My own view is that it is likely to be a huge points penalty introduced during next season or the 25/26 season. Probably enough to relegate us to the Championship but definitely sufficient to knock us out of Europe. I just don't think they will attempt to relegate us into oblivion.
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Everyone is entitled to their own interpretation of the breaches, I have no problem with that. But what in your view happens to the PL, the red tops +1 if City are cleared at the tribunal and Khaldoons words, " irrefutable evidence" are ringing in their ears. In this instance I would leave out any view on non cooperation.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
I think it's fair to say some people are just a bit more pessimistic in their outlook on life in general. That is just the way things are. At one or two points I don't mind admitting I have felt a bit down about the whole thing and felt that the PL and Cartel were going to make sure they got their way come whatever, especially with all the constant negative media crap we have had to endure. But then I have had a quick recheck and thought actually no, based on the evidence I have seen City have done nothing significantly wrong I've reminded myself of Khaldoons strong rebuffal of the accusations and thought bring it on.
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Glad you have reloaded. I have never wavered in my belief that we have not falsified our accounts. I was supremely confident during the CAS case and posted “we will be cleared” several times.
My only doubt here is whether the panel is swayed by the noise. If they are steadfast in sticking to the evidence, WE WILL BE CLEARED. Stefan is confident that the panel will do a good job. So all is good, bar the redshirts being thrown a bone on a minor issue or non-co-operation. I am content with that. The issue then becomes whether the media and the redshirts shut up. They won’t, so a few letters before action will be needed. As for rival fans, who cares? We are City.
 
Father Paul said:
My own view is that it is likely to be a huge points penalty introduced during next season or the 25/26 season. Probably enough to relegate us to the Championship but definitely sufficient to knock us out of Europe. I just don't think they will attempt to relegate us into oblivion.
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Do you think we're guilty then?
 
Father Paul said:
My own view is that it is likely to be a huge points penalty introduced during next season or the 25/26 season. Probably enough to relegate us to the Championship but definitely sufficient to knock us out of Europe. I just don't think they will attempt to relegate us into oblivion.
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Which charges do you think we’re guilty of?
 
Len Rum said:
Putting aside your reasons for holding this pessimistic view ( which I disagree with), it's probably too late to reach AND implement a decision of this magnitude all within the coming season - the hearing has still to be arranged and concluded, then the time needed to reach a decision and then the time for an appeal process to be lodged and concluded. So in view of the timescales involved we are probably looking at a decision in the next closed season to allow the whole process to be concluded within 2025/6.
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So what are talking about? The 26-27 season?
Conversely, The PL might be finished by then. The way it’s going.
 
bluemanchester said:
Everyone is entitled to their own interpretation of the breaches, I have no problem with that. But what in your view happens to the PL, the red tops +1 if City are cleared at the tribunal and Khaldoons words, " irrefutable evidence" are ringing in their ears. In this instance I would leave out any view on non cooperation.
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I’m hoping, and firmly believe either way, that the case we have brought against the PL will prove or at least demonstrate to them that their definition of non cooperation is flawed and that we were justified in our business protective actions.
This all due to the bad faith and sanctionable actions by one or several members of the PL membership.
I.e. the systematic leaking of confidential documentation and collective distribution of misinformation by the cartel group.
 
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