Netherlands v England - Wed 10th July, 20:00 | Euro 2024 Semi-Final

[kippaxwarrior]

Guéhi for Konsa will be the only change for the starting 11

 

[Crooked_rain]

Guéhi for Konsa will be the only change for the starting 11

Why change a drawing team?

 

[St.Pauli support]

I can only recommend to England to win before penalties for a change, as the idea that from now on penalties are easy wins for England is a nasty trap. It won't work twice, pressure be immense.

Now that the bright Pickford has revealed his 'normal procedure of delaying' he might become a rare keeper to get a yellow-red in a shootout by Felix Zwayer - IF it comes to pens...

 

[Blue and true]

I've become so toxic about the England team. I actively want them to lose now so Stones and Foden don't get absolutely murdered by the media every week, and kill their morale for the coming season.

Pathetic. All the players have received flack for their performances at some point during the tournament.

 

[Blue and true]

Guéhi for Konsa will be the only change for the starting 11

Think Shaw will come in. And hopefully that helps Phil.

 

[Victorinodennistua]

That's why England only look a half decent side when they go a goal down. They have to take off the shackles otherwise its over and suddenly they seem to know how to get up the pitch a bit quicker.

Shame he hasn’t given a rest to walker and tried Trent at RB. Those long balls over the top for Ollie Watkins would have given Van Dyke nightmares.Trippier and Kane out for me in this one. Think we’ll still win the game but it’s been a frustrating watch.

 

[Eccles Blue]

I've become so toxic about the England team. I actively want them to lose now so Stones and Foden don't get absolutely murdered by the media every week, and kill their morale for the coming season.

Don't fret @Damocles I'm on to the media and they won't escape the wrath of Eccles Blue if they dare to criticise either of them but (obviously) they will get greater punishment if they criticise JB!!! ;-) :-)

 

[stonerblue]

Quite looking forward to this one (any excuse for a piss-up)

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

Shame he hasn’t given a rest to walker and tried Trent at RB. Those long balls over the top for Ollie Watkins would have given Van Dyke nightmares.Trippier and Kane out for me in this one. Think we’ll still win the game but it’s been a frustrating watch.

Not a chance (hope) that Kane will be benched...

"in the difficult moments we look at our most experienced players, the ones who have been in situations like this before, and lean on their experience, we’re leaning on players being here before" (some quote I read yesterday)

ALL the big names/established "stars" will start.

There will be NO "WOW! He's starting Palmer!" moment today, it'll be more of the same.

 

[Magicpole]

Probably true to a degree, but I think some are genuinely excellent players but stifled in how England approach the game.

Look at Foden, he plays in a City team with top level players yet he was Premier League player of the season. The best player last season for arguably the best team in the world, you don't manage that if you're a hype job.

As poor and sluggish as Kane has looked, you only have to look at his premier league record and his goalscoring record in Germany and at international level. There's nothing over hyped about him, he certainly was a world class striker, although he looks physically on the decline right now.


I do think there's some overhyped players, like Rice. He's not a bad player by any means, he is good in the right team but nowhere near one of the best around in his position.

In general, I don't think the England squad is full of top players like people say, i think its exaggerated. There's a few very good players amongst mostly pretty decent enough Premier League players.

To me Foden hasn’t been utilised properly. It looks like a group of good players who aren’t a cohesive unit. You do have players who can score goals out of nothing, but your overall play is just ineffective. Doesn’t flow. You look at the movement of Spain and they have it. Their players look better all over the pitch. They attack and defend as a unit, they have top class m, world class players who turned up. If you want to be labelled works class, you turn up. So to me they aren’t world class. Nowhere near it.

The brutal truth is so far, you have been, apart from us, obviously, the least attractive team to watch in the tourney. But, here you are in the semi. I honestly believe that if you don’t improve dramatically, Spain will mullah you.

 

[madloaf]

Memphis Depay, Weghorst, Gakpo, Its enough to give you nightmares.......wait, actually...those guys are fucking bang average at best. However, the absolute shitstain that has been this England team this tournament gives me no confidence whatsoever.

I'll watch and cheer if we win, like i always do, but i do not expect to be remotely entertained and that is 80% on the coaching staff (from a tactics & squad selection point of view) and 20% on the players.

 

[kaz7]

Always seemed a really nice guy, family man, never in the papers for the wrong reasons.
Constant goalscorer year on year and carried the line consistently for club and country. One of the best strikers we’ve ever produced.
Maybe Kaz still bitter as she labelled him a one season wonder and has it in for him. Embarrassingly

Bitter ? Lol and no i didnt

 

[Eccles Blue]

Oh heck, I had forgotten to change my City Calendar from June to July...... I just did and of course July's player is Nathan Ake......is this a bad omen. Have I jinxed the England squad, will I get vilified if we lose?

I think I might hibernate for the rest of the tournament. :-) :-(

 

[SWP's back]

If that was a goal, I’m as bald as half the cunts on here.

They did a computer simulation that showed it crossed the line. Stop being so bitter. Plus we won 3-1.

 

[Cellarite]

I think Germany, Spain and France have all won things, repeatedly, whereas you’re a Russian linesman away from winning fuck all. How did they all end up in the hardest route? You’re lucky and jammy when groups are allocated and the route if the draw you end up in. There’s no way you’re in the same ieague as the above 3.

Watching Spain right now, whoever gets them in the final are getting handed their arse.

As for us, we aren’t at the races, neither are you ability wise. Every one of your games have been an instant cure for insomnia. You probably noticed. All I’m saying is on your displays, if you hadn’t been drawn against second rate teams, relatively, you woukd never have got through. You have to know that.

Oh I do know how it works, but, again, you have won fuck all for 60 years and that took a goal that was never a goal. If I supported any of Germany, France or Spain I would be asking questions. You mentioned getting to the semi finals and final, you played fuck all on the way to both of them too.

You’re lucky and it makes you look like contenders, but when you look at who you actually beat, it’s falls apart. Do you actually think your team is in the same bracket as the best here?

You confuse having the best ieague in the world with you being up there. What is it the best teams have in relation to English players? Two if you’re lucky? It’s the best because you can afford to bring the best, take them away and your ieague is nothing.

Need to end it, Southgate in talking and I’m starting to feel queasy. Good luck tomorrow night. Let’s hope it lasts.

You can talk about us getting a favourable decision all you like but we were in the World Cup Final and the score stood at 2-2. It was going to go either way and by a poor decision, it went our way.

If you want to talk about luck - we had one of the most ridiculous goals given against us in the 1986 World Cup quarter final, we would've played in another World Cup Final in 1990 if we had won a penalty shoot out, we would've been in another Euros Final in 1996 if we had won a penalty shoot out, we were knocked out of the 1998 World Cup on penalties, we had a freak goal scored against us in the quarter final of the 2002 World Cup against one of the best Brazil teams since 1982, in 2004, we were ripping up the Euros tournament when Wayne Rooney was injured - we went on the lose another penalty shootout, in 2008 we were beaten in the World Cup Quarter Final in yet another penalty shootout, in Euro 2012 we were shit but were put out in the quarter finals by Italy in guess what - another penalty shootout, in 2021 we got to the Euros final and were beaten by Italy in a penalty shootout.

If countless England managers and coaches had been given the brains to take penalty practice more seriously, we could easily have been in an extra World Cup Final, an extra World Cup semi final, an extra World Cup quarter final, won a European Championship, been in another Euros final on home soil, and been in an extra two Euros semi finals.

Luck goes two ways and we've had a fuck load go against us that has more than compensated for the linesman in 1966 - in a game that finished 4-2 anyway.

France ended up on the wrong side of the draw because they finished second in their group. Had they won it, they'd have played Turkey and then Holland and had they beat those two, England would've been playing France tonight. It isn't England's fault that we won our group but France didn't win theirs.

I do believe that whoever plays Spain is likely to get a good beating but it's a final and as pointed out on here many times, finals can be weird occasions. If finals always went the way of the favourites, City would be two FA Cups up, United and Wigan would be one down, Liverpool would have another, Wimbledon wouldn't have one and the countless more examples that are littered throughout the history of football.

Scotland and England not being at the races ability wise - well that can hardly be held as a comparison. English players repeatedly get to and win Champions League finals at club level and have recently developed a habit of reaching semi finals in International Football. We can't be drawing shit teams in every tournament, we are drawing and beating teams who have reached quarter finals. In the last Euros, we beat Germany at Wembley.

Honestly - I've never really been bothered about Scotland but this summer, you've turned into a load of bitches, moaning about everything. "England think they're better than they are" - no we don't, we know we're shit but expect better. "England's fans sing about wars" - your national anthem is about a 700 year old battle. "England have lucky draws" - it's because we're better than you. And to top it off, the chant befitting the scousers - "No Scotland, No Party" - well the tournaments between 1998 and 2018 were just fine and dandy without you skirt wearing fuckers turning up for your customary week and a half.

 

[Protein Junkie]

Why change a drawing team?

Waistcoat will have to go back to the drawing board.

 

[madloaf]

Waistcoat will have to go back to the drawing board.

I'm drawing a blank as to why he's the manager in the first place.

 

[Pedestrian]

You can talk about us getting a favourable decision all you like but we were in the World Cup Final and the score stood at 2-2. It was going to go either way and by a poor decision, it went our way.

If you want to talk about luck - we had one of the most ridiculous goals given against us in the 1986 World Cup quarter final, we would've played in another World Cup Final in 1990 if we had won a penalty shoot out, we would've been in another Euros Final in 1996 if we had won a penalty shoot out, we were knocked out of the 1998 World Cup on penalties, we had a freak goal scored against us in the quarter final of the 2002 World Cup against one of the best Brazil teams since 1982, in 2004, we were ripping up the Euros tournament when Wayne Rooney was injured - we went on the lose another penalty shootout, in 2008 we were beaten in the World Cup Quarter Final in yet another penalty shootout, in Euro 2012 we were shit but were put out in the quarter finals by Italy in guess what - another penalty shootout, in 2021 we got to the Euros final and were beaten by Italy in a penalty shootout.

If countless England managers and coaches had been given the brains to take penalty practice more seriously, we could easily have been in an extra World Cup Final, an extra World Cup semi final, an extra World Cup quarter final, won a European Championship, been in another Euros final on home soil, and been in an extra two Euros semi finals.

Luck goes two ways and we've had a fuck load go against us that has more than compensated for the linesman in 1966 - in a game that finished 4-2 anyway.

France ended up on the wrong side of the draw because they finished second in their group. Had they won it, they'd have played Turkey and then Holland and had they beat those two, England would've been playing France tonight. It isn't England's fault that we won our group but France didn't win theirs.

I do believe that whoever plays Spain is likely to get a good beating but it's a final and as pointed out on here many times, finals can be weird occasions. If finals always went the way of the favourites, City would be two FA Cups up, United and Wigan would be one down, Liverpool would have another, Wimbledon wouldn't have one and the countless more examples that are littered throughout the history of football.

Scotland and England not being at the races ability wise - well that can hardly be held as a comparison. English players repeatedly get to and win Champions League finals at club level and have recently developed a habit of reaching semi finals in International Football. We can't be drawing shit teams in every tournament, we are drawing and beating teams who have reached quarter finals. In the last Euros, we beat Germany at Wembley.

Honestly - I've never really been bothered about Scotland but this summer, you've turned into a load of bitches, moaning about everything. "England think they're better than they are" - no we don't, we know we're shit but expect better. "England's fans sing about wars" - your national anthem is about a 700 year old battle. "England have lucky draws" - it's because we're better than you. And to top it off, the chant befitting the scousers - "No Scotland, No Party" - well the tournaments between 1998 and 2018 were just fine and dandy without you skirt wearing fuckers turning up for your customary week and a half.

Not a huge international football fan myself but bravo to this post. The sweaty has made a proper tit of itself in this forum. Harping on about an injustice in 66. What a complete clown. The embarrassment that is Scottish football and the performance of the national team would in normal circumstances ensure a period of isolation and reflection. This muppet has spent the morning slagging the semi finalists off for not being good enough. Meanwhile his team are all on the Benidorm bus on there holidays.

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

3 blokes from work have just clocked out for the day and are off to town for 1pm. I don’t think they ever go out. Ever.

Fucking happy clappers. I hope they get bladdered and miss it.

 

[Franny 1234]

Think Shaw will come in. And hopefully that helps Phil.

That's been my thinking all tournament