Media Discussion - 2023/24

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Blue Mist said:
My knickers don't need untwisting. You said we had been handed a brand new stadium, we weren't. It was a good deal for us, that I fully accept but we had to put a huge amount of money into it ourselves to make it into a stadium.
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The 'fabulous' deal for City's home​

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/c72gy4wnvzpo

"Former Manchester City chairman David Bernstein has been talking to the 'We're Not Really Here' podcast on the deal he made to buy Manchester City's stadium.

One of the key factors in the deal was he told the council "it has to be a blue stadium," and he ended up with a deal where the City Council and Sport England "had to bear the bulk of the cost".



"It was the envy of football, how could City have done this? This amazing deal for a fantastic stadium, but it hardly cost them anything!"

David Bernstein
 
The perfect fumble said:
You're being pedantic, the City of Manchester Stadium was designed specifically for conversion to a football stadium. A successful two-stage design approach enabled the stadium to meet its initial requirements as an athletics venue, before adaptation for its permanent use for football. The Etihad is indistinguishable from a purpose built football stadium, that was always the intention.

You want to see an athletics stadium masquerading as a football stadium? Get yourself down to West Ham.
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Don’t get your knickers in a twist, I’m only pointing out that an athletic stadium isn’t a brand new football stadium and my statement is 100% right, I’m not talking about the nuances of how much we got it for and so on.
 
Blue Mist said:
My knickers don't need untwisting. You said we had been handed a brand new stadium, we weren't. It was a good deal for us, that I fully accept but we had to put a huge amount of money into it ourselves to make it into a stadium.
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Including Maine Rd being given to the council. Can’t remember what value was put on it - £25-£30m?
 
I'm no cynic but... said:
And as part of the deal City had to accept a mortgage deal based on attendance figures. Was it something like over 36k in there whereby the council collected 50% of any seat sales above that figure? My memory is a bit cloudy of the payment system but it was all settled by Sheikh Mansour when he bought the club. What I do recall is that player recruitment was based on loans, frees or cheap and performances reflected that and the takeover came just in time for us.
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If City got 35,000 (the capacity of Maine Road) they would pay no rent. It was on a sliding scale for higher crowds.

I suspect if Stuart Pearce had stayed in charge for another season that City would have played rent-free at COMS.
 
JGL07 said:
If City got 35,000 (the capacity of Maine Road) they would pay no rent. It was on a sliding scale for higher crowds.

I suspect if Stuart Pearce had stayed in charge for another season that City would have played rent-free at COMS.
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And win-free! :(
 
JGL07 said:
If City got 35,000 (the capacity of Maine Road) they would pay no rent. It was on a sliding scale for higher crowds.

I suspect if Stuart Pearce had stayed in charge for another season that City would have played rent-free at COMS.
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Surely they'd have been giving us refunds. Which given how bad we were under Pearce, should have gone to the poor buggers who paid for season tickets.
 
Bloody SSN are running the same video clip from yesterday featuring Screech at the rags training camp banging on about the 100,000 stadium "for the people of the North", they've also got Andy Cole there trotting out the same crap. I've seen their other paid shills using the same exact wording as Cole which shows that they've all been given the same script to read off. They're really trying to set the narrative that they're only doing this to benefit everybody and not just the rags. Expect further news of them pushing for government(i.e. us) funding soon.
 
JGL07 said:
If City got 35,000 (the capacity of Maine Road) they would pay no rent. It was on a sliding scale for higher crowds.

I suspect if Stuart Pearce had stayed in charge for another season that City would have played rent-free
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I thought it was a peppercorn rent with the council taking a percentage of any seats over 35,000 but you may be right. I think it's important to remember that other teams were also offered the chance. Too small for the rags, unrealistic for anyone else. The stadium wouldn't have been built without a Tennant being agreed? Council didn’t want a white elephant rotting away like other athletics venues in the past? Great deal for City but Manchester hosted a successful Games and got some further revenue after.
 
andthesunshineband said:
I thought it was a peppercorn rent with the council taking a percentage of any seats over 35,000 but you may be right. I think it's important to remember that other teams were also offered the chance. Too small for the rags, unrealistic for anyone else. The stadium wouldn't have been built without a Tennant being agreed? Council didn’t want a white elephant rotting away like other athletics venues in the past? Great deal for City but Manchester hosted a successful Games and got some further revenue after.
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It’s an example of how to purpose venues after an Olympics or Commonwealth games. The London stadium is weird with its temporary stands set up for football and the cost to convert it over to athletics and then back costs £6 million. The prestige of holding a major games is starting to lose its appeal to bidding cities, Brisbane don’t want the Olympics even though they have been awarded the 2032 games. Birmingham had to step in for Durban as they didn’t want the 2022 Commonwealth games.

You look at the site for the Commonwealth games from 2002, everything from the velodrome to the squash centre is still being used. On top of that the stadium is being extended and it now has one of the best arenas in the world standing on the campus. It’s how you do it and provide a sporting legacy from hosting a major games.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
It’s an example of how to purpose venues after an Olympics or Commonwealth games. The London stadium is weird with its temporary stands set up for football and the cost to convert it over to athletics and then back costs £6 million. The prestige of holding a major games is starting to lose its appeal to bidding cities, Brisbane don’t want the Olympics even though they have been awarded the 2032 games. Birmingham had to step in for Durban as they didn’t want the 2022 Commonwealth games.

You look at the site for the Commonwealth games from 2002, everything from the velodrome to the squash centre is still being used. On top of that the stadium is being extended and it now has one of the best arenas in the world standing on the campus. It’s how you do it and provide a sporting legacy from hosting a major games.
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Add the Aquatics Centre to the 2002 legacy. It's a fantastic facility, very handy for the student population and other city centre dwellers, and a rare opportunity for the general public to swim in a 50m pool, as well as for kids to have swimming and diving lessons and a splash about.
It's recently had an extensive refurbishment given that it's now 22 years old and was getting a bit tired looking and worn, but is back to being "state of the art".
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
It’s an example of how to purpose venues after an Olympics or Commonwealth games. The London stadium is weird with its temporary stands set up for football and the cost to convert it over to athletics and then back costs £6 million. The prestige of holding a major games is starting to lose its appeal to bidding cities, Brisbane don’t want the Olympics even though they have been awarded the 2032 games. Birmingham had to step in for Durban as they didn’t want the 2022 Commonwealth games.

You look at the site for the Commonwealth games from 2002, everything from the velodrome to the squash centre is still being used. On top of that the stadium is being extended and it now has one of the best arenas in the world standing on the campus. It’s how you do it and provide a sporting legacy from hosting a major games.
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Don't forget The Aquatics centre on Oxford Road. That just been refurbished. My lad goes diving there and it brilliant. In fact most of the Olympics swimmers from the north train there as the facilities are some of the best in The UK
 
kippaxwarrior said:
Don't forget The Aquatics centre on Oxford Road. That just been refurbished. My lad goes diving there and it brilliant. In fact most of the Olympics swimmers from the north train there as the facilities are some of the best in The UK
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There's a better facility, just up the East Lancs Rd for diving.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
It’s an example of how to purpose venues after an Olympics or Commonwealth games. The London stadium is weird with its temporary stands set up for football and the cost to convert it over to athletics and then back costs £6 million. The prestige of holding a major games is starting to lose its appeal to bidding cities, Brisbane don’t want the Olympics even though they have been awarded the 2032 games. Birmingham had to step in for Durban as they didn’t want the 2022 Commonwealth games.

You look at the site for the Commonwealth games from 2002, everything from the velodrome to the squash centre is still being used. On top of that the stadium is being extended and it now has one of the best arenas in the world standing on the campus. It’s how you do it and provide a sporting legacy from hosting a major games.
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But you'll probably find it's City ruining Athletics again?
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
It’s an example of how to purpose venues after an Olympics or Commonwealth games. The London stadium is weird with its temporary stands set up for football and the cost to convert it over to athletics and then back costs £6 million. The prestige of holding a major games is starting to lose its appeal to bidding cities, Brisbane don’t want the Olympics even though they have been awarded the 2032 games. Birmingham had to step in for Durban as they didn’t want the 2022 Commonwealth games.

You look at the site for the Commonwealth games from 2002, everything from the velodrome to the squash centre is still being used. On top of that the stadium is being extended and it now has one of the best arenas in the world standing on the campus. It’s how you do it and provide a sporting legacy from hosting a major games.
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What the City did with the Commonwealth games was close to perfection, my favourite was a dog track converted to a hockey stadium.

As you say, so many of the facilities are still in use.

Manchester doesn't get the credit it deserves.
 
The perfect fumble said:
What the City did with the Commonwealth games was close to perfection, my favourite was a dog track converted to a hockey stadium.

As you say, so many of the facilities are still in use.

Manchester doesn't get the credit it deserves.
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The people out there who obviously don’t like City, what should have happened to the stadium? Look at the Don Valley Stadium in Sheffield, it ended up turning into a crumbling white elephant which has now been demolished. Should that option have happened and City staying at Maine Road?

The original capacity of the COTM stadium for the games was 38,000, it will be pushing past 60,000 in a couple of years time. 22 years after it has been built it’s only starting to reach the peak of its potential. The Commonwealth games transformed that area of Manchester with the campus expanding and the training centre moving down there, to colleges and housing moving out from the city centre towards Ancoats.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
The people out there who obviously don’t like City, what should have happened to the stadium? Look at the Don Valley Stadium in Sheffield, it ended up turning into a crumbling white elephant which has now been demolished. Should that option have happened and City staying at Maine Road?

The original capacity of the COTM stadium for the games was 38,000, it will be pushing past 60,000 in a couple of years time. 22 years after it has been built it’s only starting to reach the peak of its potential. The Commonwealth games transformed that area of Manchester with the campus expanding and the training centre moving down there, to colleges and housing moving out from the city centre towards Ancoats.
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They should have designed it to allow for it to be expanded. We did tell the architect when they displayed the plans. And that, as an Australian, he didn't understand how rain plus wind worked in Manchester.
 
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