PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

halfcenturyup said:
Tbf to the PL, they had a difficult decision to take. Assuming the club has withheld third party evidence that would irrefutably prove its case (which I strongly believe), the PL had a list of allegations without sufficient evidence from the club to counter them. I am talking the sort of evidence that the club provided to CAS (to third party statements, financial information from third parties and the like).

What should the PL do? They couldn't really use the evidence presented at CAS because they hadn't seen it themselves, just read about it in the CAS award. I am not so sure they could do anything else at that time, but refer the allegations that hadn't been sufficiently countered to the IP. As I have said a few times, I think the club has played it all well, legally speaking, forcing the PL to shit or get off the can, knowing if they shit out 115 allegations, the club has the irrefutable third party evidence to counter them.

The time when the PL could have changed tack was during the investigation, but after the CAS award. They could have accepted that verdict, on Etihad for example, and the explanation given for Etisalat, and just investigated the others that were new or time limited at CAS (to the extent they aren't also time limited here). But they didn't, so here we are.
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Certainly a possibility, and viewed like that, quite a strong one...
 
Cityfan1977 said:
Magic Hat

latest .

"If anyone can provide a plausible argument for the existence of these emails other than for the subversion of the rules, I will delete ALL my threads on Man City’s 115. Every single one."
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Doctored hacked emails.
Get deleting dickhead.
 
Jam Tomorrow said:
Unless they have some zingers up their sleeve and some expert witnesses/whistle blowers who come out of the woodwork, which I doubt very much, it all boils down to the balance of probability. That bit does concern me because we leave the realms of objectivity and are firmly in the realms of a subjective conclusion.
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$20 dollar hooker someone said, is Stormy Daniels the whistleblower
 
halfcenturyup said:
As Jordan said, there is undeniably case to answer. I hate it when he is right. How the evidence falls on the balance of probabilities depends not just on what the evidence is, but how it is presented and argued. I am comfortable that the club's legal team are competent enough to present what the club calls irrefutable evidence very well, but I am also sure the PL thinks their team is competent enough to challenge it.

If you have been involved in employment cases, I am sure you have experienced situations where one side or the other thinks it's a slam dunk, but something happens to sway the balance the other way?

I guess the PL consider the chance of just coming away with, say, a non-cooperation success far outweighs the damage that would be caused by dropping the case.
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Oh yes I definitely think the PL think they have a case to answer but who knows if what they think is correct.

As far as slam dunks I don't think I have ever felt that way but on cases you bring you have to be confident and ensure you have the evidence and procedures has been followed to prevent arguments of failure in process. Basically ensuring you have enough to prevent opposition pulling apart your arguments and evidence. If you do not have this confidence or evidence i would say at that point you should not take to a hearing and should record a no case to answer in your investigative report(but that's just my opinion)

Very occasionally new evidence comes to light so you are correct it's never 100%.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
That sounds very plausible to me. Masters comments suggest they are using that narrative: “We tried to enforce the rules. The panel will decide.” But he’s a moron. The media will tear him to pieces if the PL lose on the main allegations.
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They will tearing him to pieces because city weren't hung, drawn and quartered though (irrespective of guilt), rather than the fact that he pursued this shambolic witch hunt in the first place.
 
Groke said:
They will tearing him to pieces because city weren't hung, drawn and quartered though (irrespective of guilt), rather than the fact that he pursued this shambolic witch hunt in the first place.
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Absolutely. In fact I think the media are already starting to turn against him. The PL is involved in costly legal battles with Chelsea, Newcastle, Leicester, Everton, Forest, City. None of these clubs are in danger of going bust. Most of them are trying to be ambitious.This is total lunacy.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Absolutely. In fact I think the media are already starting to turn against him. The PL is involved in costly legal battles with Chelsea, Newcastle, Leicester, Everton, Forest, City. None of these clubs are in danger of going bust. Most of them are trying to be ambitious.This is total lunacy.
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Even Jordan saying the PL needs better leadership. That's a sign.
 
nmc said:
As has been said previously - the process is the punishment. The relentless media attacks on our club have been carefully orchestrated by the PL. they know we have done nothing wrong but this whole exercise was designed to tarnish our club and its achievements. When we are cleared it will be presented as a technicality and our guilt assumed by the masses. Job done.
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Unfortunately correcto.

Even peeps with no dog in the fight, and no interest in football or sport, open conversations with "what aboot those 100s of charges for cheating".

Nowadays I only respond with "wait and see" as I have neither the time nor inclination to inform their minds.

Fortunately our exponentially expanding young, and increasingly international fans, are only interested in our winning football style, along with Braut & Jack.

'Suffer the little children & bring them to me'.

In time, as City's supremacy & pre eminence becomes a more powerful influence than the bozo shit we've contended with in the last decade +, attitudes will change amongst the multitudes who weren't born when the red cartel were corrupting their way through the early days of Sly & the PL, and the era of 'Destroy City'.

The sun lit uplands of glorious supremacy are glowing in the distance for City and the only question being asked will be "were you at York" !!

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Oh, Gundog went to Barca
and had a liccle look,
They said they couldn't keep him, his missus said thank fuck.
They got onto the blower
and said the past is past,
Pep said YES i like it
lets all meet at Tast !!

To the tune and rhythm of ' My old man's a recycling operative' !!
bobbyowenquiff said:
Perhaps the purpose of the PL witch-hunt is just to damage City. UEFA had no evidence. They were bluffing and tried to get City to settle. It was political. They wanted to be seen to be doing something. Perhaps the PL have made the same mistake. Masters has nothing on his CV which suggests he has any skills to be a CEO of the PL. He is just another bluffer.
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This is the red tops +1 trying to take the football in this country back to when they were too dogs and earning the most with their rigged system. Like going back 200 years and bringing back corn laws. When they were repealed everybody benefited except the ones in charge of corn production, it was the start of free trade as we know it. If any KC can't see this as a stitch up they should not be taking part in important decisions. If we don't beat these breaches football will be the loser and any club that wants to invest will never ever be allowed.
 
Fordyboy46 said:
The thing that concerns me is that are we really expecting not one of these supposed 115 charges to stick?. Even if one sticks we're guilty and we'll be charged, that's my thinking. I've actually no idea how this trial will work, will they look at every charge separately or as a batch together?
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Ir's a question of credibility.
If a few of the PL accusations fall flat, then their 'evidence' is flawed and unreliable ( I think).
As a result the whole case will be dismissed and City will prevail.
That is my take on it.

I could say that I have suspicions about you being a rag - but I have no real evidence.....
 
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