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Kirkstall Blue said:
That’s typical of your average family with what is hard earned money at the end of life and successive governments take it off them.
From a personal experience Six months home
care costs £67 thousand pounds people with no savings get it free.

The family home will be carved up and CGT IHT will take another big slice, if there was a way round it we would go down that route definitely
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Can’t touch it in a trust fund.
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
As somebody who’s kids will end up paying IHT on my assets (though hopefully not for a long time) there’s something profoundly perplexing to me about inherited wealth.

People’s number one argument against IHT tends to be along the lines of “I worked hard all my life to set up my kids/family for the future, so it’s wrong to stop me passing the earnings from that hard work onto my kids”.

Yeah okay, sure, maybe you worked hard… But did they? The people actually receiving the wealth. What have they done to deserve that, exactly? Existed?

I find it weird that these are sometimes the same people who talk about layabouts getting handouts for nothing on the one hand, but then are rabid about giving their own handouts on the other. Money for nothing is fine as long as it’s my kids getting it and not some stranger? Seems a touch hypocritical. The benefit is completely de-coupled from the cost. If they want the benefits they should earn it, I thought that’s what rugged capitalism was about?

Confusing. I get it is a matter of opinion but it will never make sense to me. I might want to put a backstop in place to ensure my family avoids destitution after I’m gone, sure, but other than that? They can carve their own path. They should carve their own path. Until we’re at the point where we as a society live in abundance and work is no longer necessary, it doesn’t square with me.

Politics of envy in this respect looks a lot to me like moral consistency.
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I am one of those hypocrites you refer to. The point is that it is your money that you are leaving and your children you are leaving it to. My view is that if I can't spend it, then it should at least be my kids that enjoy the fruits of my labour and not as you quite rightly put it "some stranger"

I get the wanting them to stand on their own two feet but surely better to give them a helping hand rather than hand it to the goverment to waste.
 
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mexico1970 said:
If you consider my post to be bitter bile it explains just how you come across as some delicate mitherer.
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Unsure if you are a Ric-bot to keep the clicks up on the site or use those subtle references to certain subjects because you don’t want to come out as too Tory.

Anyway, mate, I’m off to enjoy some more of the day. No ‘mitherer’ here ;-)
 
maxwellblue said:
I am one of those hypocrites you refer to. The point is that it is your money that you are leaving and your children you are leaving it to. My view is that if I can't spend then it should at least be my kids that enjoy the fruits of my labour and not as you quite rightly put it "some stranger"

I get the wanting them to stand on their own two feet but surely better to give them a helping hand rather than hand it to the goverment to waste.
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And then them going to the government later because the money they could’ve got was taken when they could’ve used it!
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Unsure if you are a Ric-bot to keep the clicks up on the site or use those subtle references to certain subjects because you don’t want to come out as too Tory.

Anyway, mate, I’m off to enjoy some more of the day. No ‘mitherer’ here ;-)
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I'm pretty much Tory rather than Labour. Nowt to be ashamed of lad.
 
Vic said:
No NHS waiting lists.

Sure Start.

Councils with money for parks, libraries, road repairs, subsidies to rural bus routes, to the arts. But apart from the aqueducts and the sewers, what did municipal government ever do for us?
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Im sorry but NHS waiting lists were still a problem under the last Labour government.

Using the like for like data which is only available since 2007 its increased from a RTT (Referrals to Treatment) value of 4m to around 8m. To say there wasn't a waiting list is misleading. Whilst im not saying that the Tories havent made it a lot worse with their austerity, you also need to take into account the earlier detection of illness over the past 20yrs, increasing age of the population and increase in referrals for mental health issues.

The picture is a lot more complex than an initial look at the figures might suggest.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Shall we go around the loop once again:

2% reduction in CO2 output will make fuck all difference to climate change. I am puzzled as to what you are not grasping, unless it's English?
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Lol it will either make a 2% difference or fuck all. Which one is it?
 
maxwellblue said:
I am one of those hypocrites you refer to. The point is that it is your money that you are leaving and your children you are leaving it to. My view is that if I can't spend then it should at least be my kids that enjoy the fruits of my labour and not as you quite rightly put it "some stranger"

I get the wanting them to stand on their own two feet but surely better to give them a helping hand rather than hand it to the goverment to waste.
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Yeah I get the perspective, and you’re free to take it… like I said I just can’t square it myself. I’m not calling anybody a hypocrite - after all some might be perfectly fine with the idea of people getting some leg up that they didn’t work for, one might be a monarchist for example. I’m saying I would think myself a hypocrite if I were to take that opinion because my philosophy is based on the idea that people should be rewarded for what they contribute to society.

I can’t get my brain to think that my kids somehow deserve something they didn’t work for. They don’t. It’s pretty much that simple. Do they deserve a stable life free from poverty and with their basic needs fulfilled? Of course, everybody does. Do they deserve a life of luxury living off dad’s trust fund? No, absolutely not.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Labour doing fine so far. A couple of blips that need a fix but now another day of us seeing them putting their words into actions.

Feel pretty good about the situation and can’t believe how relaxed I’ve become about politics. It’s like a huge cloud has been lifted.
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I know exactly what you mean n your last paragraph. A huge weight gone. I hadn’t really thought about it too much until I read that and thought … exactly.
 
BerkshireBlue said:
Lol it will either make a 2% difference or fuck all. Which one is it?
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Mate, surely youi must be you trolling. And this is getting quite amusing, I must say.

I will say it for a 3rd time, "2% reduction in CO2 output will make fuck all difference to climate change."

What is it you cannot understand? The UK produces 2% of the world's CO2. If we reduce our CO2 output to zero, it is a 2% reduction in global CO2 output. A 2% reduction in global CO2 output will make fuck all difference to climate change.

Hence, "2% reduction in CO2 output will make fuck all difference to climate change".

Do you have any kids under 5? If yes, show them this and ask them to explain it to you ;-)
 
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