PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

dadnlad said:
off topic but it took years for academy to bear fruit and make millions i guess finding talent is goal
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Yes and no.
Whilst we have found Phil, Rico and Oscar, the main and hidden success of the academy is in boosting our transfer sales. Since 2014 sales fro,e the academy top 375m euros

From transfermarket:

If you take Man City’s income from their youth academy and treat it as a separate club, it would rank thirteenth among all clubs in England for transfer income since 2014. A figure which stands just short of what Arsenalhave made from all transfer sales in that period of time and less than €100m short of Brighton's famed ability to sell star players in the window. Which, again, just goes to show how huge and profitable an operation Man City are running in their youth academy.

My take on its is that this is the main reason for the academy and if we can pick up one or two first team players every couple of years then that's a Brucie bonus.
The other real benefit is 100s of kids get prepared for professional football whilst being coached in the right way and receiving a top education. Winner all round.
 
Gordyola said:
Over three years a total of >£40M
The PL gave the rags the same for Covid losses plus £35 more in relation to the sale of 27% of £1B of rags debt to Scruffy Jim
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Numbers, eh? They don't half do your head in, don't they? (well, they do mine..!)

'115' (whatever that might be) is 'huge', 'enormous', 'unprecedented' according to the venal, tribal UK sports media; whereas £40M + £35M in one financial year is simply explained away as a case of 'nothing to see here.. move on, folks' according to a self-appointed, self-publicising 'football finance expert' (..I think not!)

What's been going on is as plain as the nose on your face (well, my hooter is at any rate!)..

George Orwell wouldn't half have had some fun writing about all of this farrago since 2008 (and yes, he would rightly include valid, appropriate criticism of City in it all..)
 
nmc said:
That’s the point… won’t three PL appointed judges vote with the PL just as the UEFA judge did regardless of the facts. Hardly instils confidence in the legal profession the way the UEFA judge behaved.
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Of course they will, but don't forget the burden of proof is on the Premier League, the panel have to deal with the evidence and have to be independent. It doesn't matter if one of the panel is an Arsenal fan he has to do his job properly.
 
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eastmanc said:
Of course they will, but don't forget the burden of proof is on the Premier League, the panel have to deal with the evidence and have to be independent. It doesn't matter if one of the panel is an Arsenal fan he has to do his job properly.
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Mmmmmm!

The PL have invested too much, aided 'n abetted by the RDAHMeedya, not to get some return. They will do their utmost to put a points millstone round the club's neck to prevent a fifth title.
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
Mmmmmm!

The PL have invested too much, aided 'n abetted by the RDAHMeedya, not to get some return. They will do their utmost to put a points millstone round the club's neck to prevent a fifth title.
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It is not worth their jobs and reputations if their verdict on this case was not seen as impartial. The evidence is the evidence and if the Premier league can't prove their allegations then they will have to find in City's favour.
 
eastmanc said:
It is not worth their jobs and reputations if their verdict on this case was not seen as impartial.
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Who's going to say it's not impartial ?

Press/media won't as we are guilty in their eyes.
Rivals fans won't as we are guilty in their eyes.
The PL won't as we are guilty in their eyes.
City will say it wasn't impartial because City are guilty !
 
Centurions said:
Sometimes a joke is just a joke.
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And Maguire is becoming one. I lost faith in him when he said he had received and reviewed the APT documentation from "someone in the press" on a podcast by then @slbsn said he had told him he didn't have it. Either he was doing a Goldbridge or he realised he erred in mentioning it. Probably the latter. Either way, it's a good way to lose trust.

They all do it, if course. Say things to stay relevant in social media. They have to care about stuff like that if they want to make a career out there. You can add financial "experts" to journalists as clickbait merchants. Shame, really.
 
halfcenturyup said:
And Maguire is becoming one. I lost faith in him when he said he had received and reviewed the APT documentation from "someone in the press" on a podcast by then @slbsn said he had told him he didn't have it. Either he was doing a Goldbridge or he realised he erred in mentioning it. Probably the latter. Either way, it's a good way to lose trust.

They all do it, if course. Say things to stay relevant in social media. They have to care about stuff like that if they want to make a career out there. You can add financial "experts" to journalists as clickbait merchants. Shame, really.
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Its almost as if those who purport themselves as experts in something on social media arent true experts and all about saying what people want to hear while the true experts are too busy making money to be bothered with shilling on social media for cheap likes
 
Just to keep piss boiling abit more whilst 'discussing' the charges with rival fans on social media. Keep reminding them there are actually more than 115 charges (according to @slbsn ) possibly in the region of 130 ish.
just means the domino effect will be bigger as each of the main content of the charges are found with no evidence or time barred.
 
eastmanc said:
It is not worth their jobs and reputations if their verdict on this case was not seen as impartial. The evidence is the evidence and if the Premier league can't prove their allegations then they will have to find in City's favour.
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That is your opinion and I respect it and I want to agree, but.....

The only evidence we have to draw on is that the same 'calibre' of person in a very similar situation judged against CITY at CAS - simply because he was 'toeing the line'
 
Oldham Exile said:
That is your opinion and I respect it and I want to agree, but.....

The only evidence we have to draw on is that the same 'calibre' of person in a very similar situation judged against CITY at CAS - simply because he was 'towing the line'
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The CAS judge didn't and in reality that is the only judgement that mattered. It's the same with the independent panel. They have to be impartial and judge the case on the evidence.
 
give it to gordon said:
This worries me the UEFA judge voted in favour of his employer regardless of the facts. What's to say the 3 KC won't do the same ?
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If the UEFA judge voted irrespective of the evidence that tells you something about them, it tells you nothing whatsoever about the KCs who will make up the panel. They will have track records of 30+years of professionalism and integrity. That’s why they’re on the panel in the first place. If you still think they would compromise their professional integrity for the sake of the redshirt cartel I can’t help you.
 
Oldham Exile said:
But this post and the one above it from @halfcenturyup - only add to the concern of some posters - and perhaps we are right not to take at face value this line that KCs will not be swayed in anyway etc.

If this is the true explanation then some of the more faint-hearted of us have some justification for our concerns
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I can't stop worriers worrying I suppose. But maybe this helps. It's the grounds on which the club can raise an arbitration if the panel and subsequent appeal "stitches up" the club.

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I would imagine if the club really was subjected to a perverse verdict then there is an arbitration option. But really, it isn't going to happen. Firstly because these KCs don't need the PL, I have no doubt they will consider independently, and secondly because the PL doesn't need the hassle, especially now with the IR looming. The PL wants to show it can be tough where it has to be, it would be suicidal for the people in and around the organisation to have claims of bad faith, perverse interpretations and not applying their minds properly to the facts of the case right now.

To summarise, the case will be properly decided on the evidence imho, and the club will undoubtedly prevail on the most serious charges, again imho.
 
mancboy said:
Its almost as if those who purport themselves as experts in something on social media arent true experts and all about saying what people want to hear while the true experts are too busy making money to be bothered with shilling on social media for cheap likes
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You are talking about me, aren't you?
 
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