Banning smoking in beer gardens

Blue Mist said:
I will just throw this grenade in.
Far worse than smoking in a beer garden is gambling and yet not one political party will go near that. The physical and mental destruction that drug has caused outweighs a fag in a garden.
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Some big people are making big money by getting the public to gamble as much of their money ad they can. The government allow this.
 
Marklr said:
In your opinion. My vape is scent free. It's just a cloud that i breath out. How does that offend you?

Is there an offence for having alcohol in your blood and being in the public?
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It is my opinion and let’s be honest most aren’t odourless are they ?
Yes there is an offence of being drunk in a public place not having alcohol ( small amount)
 
Marklr said:
Some big people are making big money by getting the public to gamble as much of their money ad they can. The government allow this.
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The government are waiting to tax the shit out of vapers when this lot come of age, aimed at children it's like money in the bank for them they are playing the long game.

How many under 18s vape in the UK?


In 2022, 7.0% of 11-17 year olds were current users, compared to 3.3% in 2021 and 4.1% in 2020. Children under 16 are least likely to try e-cigarettes. 10.4% of 11-15 year olds have tried vaping, compared to 29.1% of 16-17 year olds. Among 18 year olds, 40.8% report having tried an e-cigarette.
 
Marklr said:
You wouldn't get kicked out/off...they'd just tell you vaping isn't allowed on their premises. Fair enough, even though I don't agree, it's their rules. But it's NOT banned in public places by the GOV. like smoking is.
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A friend got kicked out of a gig. In fairness he did it after being told to stop. Rightly so, it was bothering others, and he was given a chance.
 
mexico1970 said:
The government are waiting to tax the shit out of vapers when this lot come of age, aimed at children it's like money in the bank for them they are playing the long game.

How many under 18s vape in the UK?


In 2022, 7.0% of 11-17 year olds were current users, compared to 3.3% in 2021 and 4.1% in 2020. Children under 16 are least likely to try e-cigarettes. 10.4% of 11-15 year olds have tried vaping, compared to 29.1% of 16-17 year olds. Among 18 year olds, 40.8% report having tried an e-cigarette.
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Same as the gambling, isn't it? Advertised as a good thing to people that are skint!
 
Coatigan said:
A friend got kicked out of a gig. In fairness he did it after being told to stop. Rightly so, it was bothering others, and he was given a chance.
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Yeah, if you break their rules and carry on when they've asked to stop..haha. They deserve a slap. People at a gig complained about someone vaping? haha. Was it a Cliff gig?
 
Marklr said:
Negligible from the vapour. Prove that secondary vape causes any harm.

Is vaping harmful?​

Research so far shows that legal e-cigarettes are far less harmful than smoking. But they are not risk-free and we don’t yet know their long-term effects.
www.cancerresearchuk.org
www.cancerresearchuk.org

Is passive vaping harmful?​

There is no good evidence that second-hand vapour from e-cigarettes is harmful. As vaping is still relatively new, we can’t be sure there aren’t any long-term effects to people who breathe in someone else’s vapour. But this is unlikely to be harmful.

Passive vaping is not the same as passive smoking. This is because e-cigarettes do not contain tobacco.
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There are equally as many and more recent clinical reports to suggest otherwise.
 
Marklr said:
I'd start with the most harmful to the public(do what you want to yourself) and work my way down. Vaping probably wouldn't make the list as there is no way it can harm the public.
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I'd ban cunts that say nanny state, spiral into whataboutery, and moan about the speed limit in Wales for everything they disagree with, but can't have it all can we.
 
Blue Mist said:
I will just throw this grenade in.
Far worse than smoking in a beer garden is gambling and yet not one political party will go near that. The physical and mental destruction that drug has caused outweighs a fag in a garden.
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Do you get the concept of others? Some guy gambling on his phone in a beer garden isn't going to contribute to others around him developing lung cancer. Unless he is smoking while he's gambling. Banning smoking in gathered spaces isn't to save people from themselves, it is to save other people from them.
 
Marklr said:
In your opinion. My vape is scent free. It's just a cloud that i breath out. How does that offend you?

Is there an offence for having alcohol in your blood and being in the public?
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I've not come across scent free, toxin free, tobacco free, nicotine free, organic freerange fairtrade good for you vapes. Any I have encountered has had at least some of the above. But even if yours don't, that is still plumes of stram that has been in your lungs. That was the annoying fucking thing during covid, we had to go one way in supermarkets, socially distance, sit at 90 degrees to family, yet some **** covers 6 square metres of a pavement with his inside lung cloud, and thinks that's ok to walk through. There are literlaly dozens of people here telling you why it bothers them, you have been asked to stop it, yet you still try to argue every one of them is wrong and you should do what you want, because other people drink. Ffs. I AM btw far more bothered by smoking, fwiw.
 
Coatigan said:
I've not come across scent free, toxin free, tobacco free, nicotine free, organic freerange fairtrade good for you vapes. Any I have encountered has had at least some of the above. But even if yours don't, that is still plumes of stram that has been in your lungs. That was the annoying fucking thing during covid, we had to go one way in supermarkets, socially distance, sit at 90 degrees to family, yet some **** covers 6 square metres of a pavement with his inside lung cloud, and thinks that's ok to walk through. There are literlaly dozens of people here telling you why it bothers them, you have been asked to stop it, yet you still try to argue every one of them is wrong and you should do what you want, because other people drink. Ffs. I AM btw far more bothered by smoking, fwiw.
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And I hate people that have been drinking. I ask them not to appear in public. I ask them to stop and they carry on. Vaping in public turns people into mard arses. There's no good reason for me not to.
 
Marklr said:
And I hate people that have been drinking. I ask them not to appear in public. I ask them to stop and they carry on. Vaping in public turns people into mard arses. There's no good reason for me not to.
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In fairness and for clarity, I have been talking about vaping in enclosed spaces and places where it is forbidden. Sure, if giving zero fucks about others isn't a good enough reason not to vape around people, then you are right. The topic is about banning smoking in beer gardens btw.
 
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