Banning smoking in beer gardens

[mexico1970]

Yes yes we all get that but do you like the smell of Strawberries cucumbers?

 

[city2]

already gavw my opion in the politics forum but brielfy as a non smoker I think beer gardens having a smoking area shoud stay in some form, and banning it from premisses of certain worlplaces will increase skiving as smokers need spend longer getting back from a fag break.

Targeting stopping the next generation taking up the habit is of more important focus.


Personaly is if I was banning anything from pubs it would be kids under 14, especially kids in prams/pushchairs.

Your right about kids in pubs, running around,screaming, crying and the parents frightened to chastise them, lots of glasses about. Probably make rubber glasses paper plates and little wooden utensils, and give us all paper hats because we are all being treated by big brother and us as adults haven’t got a clue on how to think .

 

[city2]

This form of ill health is not as bad as this form of ill health…

Cigarettes have no benefit to anyone whatsoever.

Neither does drinking or drugs

 

[MCFC Wirral]

Neither does drinking or drugs

Alcohol in moderation is good for you. And am I supposed to believe you’ve never smoked, drank or done drugs?

 

[Really_here]

May as well ban everything that effects the nhs then, playgrounds where kids fracture bones, ban eating in pubs because to many people are overweight, ban cake shops, ban kids from drinking soft drinks , ban cafes for serving cooked breakfast, ban takeaways, just sit home and pay your taxes then die.

They're not going to ban them but they are definitely going to use the NHS excuse to slap taxes on them

 

[FlemishDuck]

I can see a thriving black market burgeoning from someone growing more than they can consume themselves and cashing in on it.

Did they not try something similar with prohibition in America. That worked out well didn’t it.

Prohibition banned the production of alcohol even for own use, so thats not exactly similar. Your also looking at a product which is pretty cheap when self grown. Yes you likely would have some form of black market but then again its not one where you would have to care about it too much as its low yield and hard to upscale given the risks there would be attached to it so it would likely be very petty scale. The point is that you dont get any big producers that would try lobby and advertise and work to expand the market trough any means possible. You could extend the same policy to cannabis if your country would be ready for that. Point being, its one thing that someone has the liberty to consume things that may not be good for them which isnt necessarily a right upon which you want to infringe, another thing that there is someone ready to profit from it and having the interest to try hook up others to its usage. Even when it comes to the eventual use of cannabis its preferable that people grow for themselves imho than having dealer and grower networks of it so i'm for example a little more in favor of having plenty of "grow shops" around for that function.

 

[Coatigan]

A classic for the vapists.

 

[Protein Junkie]

I can blow rings with my breath. Talent. Years of practice ;)

 

[Marklr]

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[Saxmundham Blue]

I think this is taking things a step too far, I smoke (and have done for over 50 years and having paid all the ludicrous tax hikes and rather than being a bloody burden on the NHS I think I've contributed more than enough!) and am aware it's not healthy but where is the freedom of choice? I still maintain that pubs should be able to allow smoking inside the pub never mind the beer gardens. No-one is umaware of the health risks so if a pub chooses to allow smoking and people don't like it then go elsewhere to a pub that doesn't allow it?
Driving is dangerous (for innocent pedestrians as well as drivers), when are we going to ban cars and buses?
It infuriates me that one hand we have shop lifting being given the green light thanks to the police ignoring it and people convicted of knife crime etc getting an automatic 50% off etc etc etc plus billions of pounds to pay benefits to people who've never contributed taxes we have the time and money to try and stop people having a smoke in the open air!!

Only 12% of UK adults smoke, 88% are non-smokers.

Allowing smoking in pubs would be a great way to close pubs as it would just drive the majority of pub-goers (the non-smokers) away.

Pubs are struggling to survive as it is, pissing off 88% of their customers won't help. Most pubs would probably close within 3 months if they allowed smoking inside the pub.

 

[mexico1970]

Only 12% of UK adults smoke, 88% are non-smokers.

Allowing smoking in pubs would be a great way to close pubs as it would just drive the majority of pub-goers (the non-smokers) away.

Pubs are struggling to survive as it is, pissing off 88% of their customers won't help. Most pubs would probably close within 3 months if they allowed smoking inside the pub.

88% of their customers aren't complaining or pissed off with it though, who counted hands?

There should be a place in pubs or outside them that is a smoking area, if a non smoker ventures there then that's on them isn't it?

 

[Coatigan]

Only 12% of UK adults smoke, 88% are non-smokers.

Allowing smoking in pubs would be a great way to close pubs as it would just drive the majority of pub-goers (the non-smokers) away.

Pubs are struggling to survive as it is, pissing off 88% of their customers won't help. Most pubs would probably close within 3 months if they allowed smoking inside the pub.

I struggle to believe those percentages.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

I struggle to believe those percentages.

12.9% to be fair, so that's more like 13%.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

88% of their customers aren't complaining or pissed off with it though, who counted hands?

There should be a place in pubs or outside them that is a smoking area, if a non smoker ventures there then that's on them isn't it?

Or, just let the pubs decide?
No-smoking anywhere pubs v smoke in the garden pubs and people can vote with their feet.

 

[mexico1970]

12.9% to be fair, so that's more like 13%.

Percentages aren't the point though, how many smokers/vapers go to the pub compared to non smokers and vapers.

Say there were 2 pub gardens, that still wouldn't be enough for the anti smoking Mary Whitehouses.

 

[mexico1970]

Or, just let the pubs decide?
No-smoking anywhere pubs v smoke in the garden pubs and people can vote with their feet.

Yup, I would agree with that it seems fair.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Alcohol in moderation is good for you.

Aye, if you read those carefully selected "we're printing it because it's what we want to believe" studies that the Daily Express loves to share.

 

[Saxmundham Blue]

I struggle to believe those percentages.

Yes, i was surprised as well but it's data from the UK Government ONS Office for National Statistics in 2022.

It was 20.2% in 2011, so it's probably lower than 12% now.

 

[mexico1970]

If a pub for smokers opened you know you'd get people who would complain about people smoking in it :)

 

[trotsky]

already gavw my opion in the politics forum but brielfy as a non smoker I think beer gardens having a smoking area shoud stay in some form, and banning it from premisses of certain worlplaces will increase skiving as smokers need spend longer getting back from a fag break.

Targeting stopping the next generation taking up the habit is of more important focus.


Personaly is if I was banning anything from pubs it would be kids under 14, especially kids in prams/pushchairs.

As a publican, I agree that we should not be smoking around children. I also think smoking around people who are eating is not great. I am hoping the smoking ban will not be enforced in beer gardens where there is no food served and where children are not allowed in the pub.
Let’s make wet led pubs adult spaces only.