Banning smoking in beer gardens

mexico1970 said:
Percentages aren't the point though, how many smokers/vapers go to the pub compared to non smokers and vapers.

Say there were 2 pub gardens, that still wouldn't be enough for the anti smoking Mary Whitehouses.
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It seems a bit ridiculous to ban it outside. Don't get me wrong, I'm occasionally on a motorbike breathing in fumes, and I'll still notice when someone's smoking a fag and blowing the smoke in my direction. But let's not pretend that there are any health risks from that. And as for vapes, there's fuck all risk to the other punters in the first place, never mind outdoors. I was in favour of the original smoking ban, because I worked in bars and I know what it's like to have to come home stinking of smoke and have no choice because you need the money. As well as the fact that the vast majority of non-smokers end up coming home stinking of smoke to suit a minority. But there's no rational reason for banning it outdoors, unless you're going to ban it completely (because "it's for your own good" is the only argument at this point).
 
As for the smoking ban ruining pubs, I don't buy that for a second. Rip off alcohol prices and extortionate rents destroyed pubs, just like they've destroyed so many other businesses (well, the rent bit, at least).
 
I'm With Stupid said:
It seems a bit ridiculous to ban it outside. Don't get me wrong, I'm occasionally on a motorbike breathing in fumes, and I'll still notice when someone's smoking a fag and blowing the smoke in my direction. But let's not pretend that there are any health risks from that. And as for vapes, there's fuck all risk to the other punters in the first place, never mind outdoors. I was in favour of the original smoking ban, because I worked in bars and I know what it's like to have to come home stinking of smoke and have no choice because you need the money. As well as the fact that the vast majority of non-smokers end up coming home stinking of smoke to suit a minority. But there's no rational reason for banning it outdoors, unless you're going to ban it completely (because "it's for your own good" is the only argument at this point).
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In a decades time there will be a vaping timebomb and I don't mean health I mean people who want to vape getting told by people who don't that they shouldn't be allowed.

Pubs for smokers, a USP that might just take off.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
As for the smoking ban ruining pubs, I don't buy that for a second. Rip off alcohol prices and extortionate rents destroyed pubs, just like they've destroyed so many other businesses (well, the rent bit, at least).
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Exactly. The fat cats squeeze the pips in every walk of life.
 
mexico1970 said:
In a decades time there will be a vaping timebomb and I don't mean health I mean people who want to vape getting told by people who don't that they shouldn't be allowed.

Pubs for smokers, a USP that might just take off.
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Who's going to work there though? Let's be honest, even smokers don't like smoking, or they wouldn't be trying to quit all the time.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Who's going to work there though? Let's be honest, even smokers don't like smoking, or they wouldn't be trying to quit all the time.
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Plenty of staff smoke, well enough to man a bar. I am really referring to a beer garden really not so much inside.

Non smokers wont be barred but children in the beer garden would be.
 
Saxmundham Blue said:
Yes, i was surprised as well but it's data from the UK Government ONS Office for National Statistics in 2022.

It was 20.2% in 2011, so it's probably lower than 12% now.
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Depends where you live though. England has the lowest rate of the home countries but, within that, the rates are massively different.
In 26% in Lincoln, Boston and Hull.
Manchester it’s over 17%, whilst in next door Trafford it’s only 8% and only 5% in Winchester.
Sadly, poor general health, poverty and the subsequent fewer life chances are the biggest indicators for likely smokers, meaning they’re always on the conveyor belt of shitdom and seemingly nobody wants to help get them off…
 
mexico1970 said:
Plenty of staff smoke, well enough to man a bar. I am really referring to a beer garden really not so much inside.

Non smokers wont be barred but children in the beer garden would be.
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Children should not be around adults / strangers in a place that is primarily for consumption of alcohol. Pubs that are basically restaurants are fine, but pubs that are ‘boozers’ are not a good environment for kids. Most parents who bring their kids in the boozers just treat the place like a crèche - most don’t even keep the kids by their side.
Make boozers a place for adults only - who can have a smoke in the garden if they wish.
 
trotsky said:
Children should not be around adults / strangers in a place that is primarily for consumption of alcohol. Pubs that are basically restaurants are fine, but pubs that are ‘boozers’ are not a good environment for kids. Most parents who bring their kids in the boozers just treat the place like a crèche - most don’t even keep the kids by their side.
Make boozers a place for adults only - who can have a smoke in the garden if they wish.
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Parents are a bigger customer base than smokers, I'd argue. And probably in greater need of a drink.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Parents are a bigger customer base than smokers, I'd argue. And probably in greater need of a drink.
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You're right mate but they will have all the pubs in the town centre to choose from and the restaurants they could avoid this one/few.

This pub will be a great big shit magnet for smokers and vapers ;-)
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Parents are a bigger customer base than smokers, I'd argue. And probably in greater need of a drink.
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Lol. In need of a drink for sure, but the pub ain’t a great environment for kids. In my experience all the best drinking is done before the kids come along and when they’re finally old enough to be allowed independence or flee the nest ;-)
Take the kids to a (no smoking) park and let adults have a space where they can drink and even partake in the filthy habit of smoking - outside, of course.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Aye, if you read those carefully selected "we're printing it because it's what we want to believe" studies that the Daily Express loves to share.
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So you don’t drink either?

Half a dozen trips to hospital in the last two years with serious illness. Never once was I told to stop drinking. However, I’m now vegetarian to ensure I eat properly.
 
MCFC Wirral said:
So you don’t drink either?

Half a dozen trips to hospital in the last two years with serious illness. Never once was I told to stop drinking. However, I’m now vegetarian to ensure I eat properly.
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Of course I drink. I just don't pretend it's good for me. If you believe the tabloids, coffee, red wine, caffeine, chocolate, etc, are the cause of and cure for every health problem on the planet. The most recent position from the World Health Organisation is that there is no level at which alcohol isn't harmful and there is no evidence that it's beneficial below a certain level. And a direct quote from the NHS website on the issue: "There's no completely safe level of drinking." Now obviously if you drink in moderation, the harm is likely to be so small as to make fuck all difference in your life. But that's very different from being beneficial. I've been to the doctors quite a bit too, and I've also not been told to stop drinking alcohol. I've also not been told to stop eating shitty processed foods either.

Anyway, here's a good article on the history of the research and where the 'beneficial in moderation' claims came from.
 
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