Not at all, I just think that all of this is based on the facts and info we know so far. We do not have any of the new info/evidence the PL will use (if they even have any), so I'm hesitant to build confidence without any knowledge of their new "findings".
What facts are they ???Not at all, I just think that all of this is based on the facts and info we know so far. We do not have any of the new info/evidence the PL will use (if they even have any), so I'm hesitant to build confidence without any knowledge of their new "findings".
That’s basically a reformulation of Andy Gray’s line “there’s 115 charges, they must have done something wrong”I actually am not as optimistic as most people here. I think we'll got done for some but not all charges. And I'm not referring to non-cooperation. I find it incredibly unlikely that they've dragged this on for as long as they have, and without dropping any charges, to not have high confidence some things will stick.
Wasn't there a long grass charge or has that gone away?Possibly. What do you base that on? Just a feeling?
In my view, they have no chance of making the most serious allegations (funding of sponsorships and filing incorrect accounts) stick simply because, like UEFA, they won't have access to the evidence necessary to prove it whereas the club will have access to reams of counter-evidence to disprove it.
So what is left? The rest of the "financial" allegations are all old allegations, as far as we know, and will be time limited unless the PL can show fraud or deliberate concealment. Not easy. There are plenty of counter arguments for Mancini and Fordham. But, tbf, we don't know enough about Fordham and Toure to conclude, really. There may be terms in Fordham that affect the club's results. Toure may be the PL's best chance, but again it's difficult to assess without more information and the club so far generally seems to have had good arguments to support anything that has happened. And let's not forget the club made a very strong statement when the allegations were announced and have, apparently, turned down the offer of a settlement. So they must be confident.
Finally, I am not so sure non-cooperation is as easy to prove as some might think and the rest (PL FFP and UEFA licensing) fall away if the serious charges aren't proven, I think.
Disagree with any of that?
No time schools are going backI yearn for the days where they’d bed in for a couple of months.
Will know in Jan. 25. Case lasts 12 weeks started on the 6th SeptemberThe only real good news about this is that seemingly the hearing will be starting shortly and we should know the outcome before the end of the season. My feeling is that it will be no sooner than early March. Hopefully we will largely win but if not I'll put my big boy pants on and deal with it. I've had enough of waiting and whatever the outcome is it can't come soon enough.
Yet they amended the charges several time within the first few hours of releasing them.I have a few lawyers in my family and it's not that uncommon to take your time building a ecase you perceive to be good. Wether it's actually any good is a separate thing. But just because it took long isn't necessarily telling of anything.
Groundsman replacedWasn't there a long grass charge or has that gone away?
Not at all, I just think that all of this is based on the facts and info we know so far. We do not have any of the new info/evidence the PL will use (if they even have any), so I'm hesitant to build confidence without any knowledge of their new "findings".
Whether you have lawyers in your family or not is a mute point. The EPL would have charged us 1st & then the lawyers would have got involved.I have a few lawyers in my family and it's not that uncommon to take your time building a ecase you perceive to be good. Wether it's actually any good is a separate thing. But just because it took long isn't necessarily telling of anything.
They’ll definitely get a fine for non cooperation. And like the uefa charges that’s enough for most simpleton to say we were guiltyThat’s basically a reformulation of Andy Gray’s line “there’s 115 charges, they must have done something wrong”
It’s not definite. Probable, but not definite.They’ll definitely get a fine for non cooperation. And like the uefa charges that’s enough for most simpleton to say we were guilty
I don’t think that’s definite at all - the only thing definite is that EPL think City are in breach but that’s a million miles away from the Independent Panel reaching the same conclusion. If it does happen, I do agree about how simpletons will try to spin it.They’ll definitely get a fine for non cooperation. And like the uefa charges that’s enough for most simpleton to say we were guilty
I know Stefan ploughs a lonely furrow, but I seriously question the value of going on Redmen TV to dignify a stream of "when did you stop beating your wife" questions.
Taking off my blue tinted specs, who seriously thinks anyone was enlightened beyond a better understanding of the timing and process? And it's not as if Stefan hasn't repeatedly outlined these points of procedure on numerous other channels.
Unless Stefan challenges the loaded nature of the questions, he's providing little more than a veneer of respectability for a bunch of bad faith actors. That might sound harsh but Google Stefan Borson and all you'll find is City Doomed! City Relegated! Etihad Raised to the Ground! Khaldoons Nuts Roasted! Okay I made the last two up but you get my drift.
I know Stefan has his admirers, I'm one of them, but he's got to be more more selective. No one watching this walked away with their prejudices challenged, quite the opposite, they came away with them validated. I know it's not Stefan's job to bat for City and I know he thinks he's bringing light to counter the heat, but the only light Stefan brought to this encounter was to better illuminate the fire.
Don't believe me? Look at the headline on the video and tell me I'm wrong.
Will know in Jan. 25. Case lasts 12 weeks started on the 6th September
Much, much later.
Yeah.Naah. He isn't trying to develop a reputation as a City mouthpiece, he is trying to develop a reputation as an impartial financial expert. He has to be everywhere he can be, and as often as he can be, to do that. Not a criticism, just a fact.
It's not anything I would want to do. Financial experts are rapidly joining journalists somewhere down in the gutter of the world of information sharing but I can understand what he is doing and why.
That’s basically a reformulation of Andy Gray’s line “there’s 115 charges, they must have done something wrong”
A few lawyers in the family? I guess the smart gene bypassed you then unless you really are talking about a castrated goat.I have a few lawyers in my family and it's not that uncommon to take your time building a ecase you perceive to be good. Wether it's actually any good is a separate thing. But just because it took long isn't necessarily telling of anything.