PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Hamann Pineapple said:
When found innocent, we won't ask for monetary compensation, we will ask for a grovelling apology and a frank explanation of why the charges were influenced by poorly run clubs.
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As Cascarino just said on TS, if we are found not guilty then heads will roll in the PL.
 
LangleyBlue1970 said:
As Cascarino just said on TS, if we are found not guilty then heads will roll in the PL.
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I hope so , reminds me a bit of this
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There are some great bits of Vance Miller on youtube, I quite liked him.
 
IronsideKozuch said:
Its not the point though. We may not care, but top end service should care about public image as well.
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Perhaps our owners are quite happy with the return on their investment.
They seem to concentrate on that rather than be sidetracked by defending lies and media bias.

We as fans are the ones who crave that our on field achievements are properly acknowledged.
 
B\connellblue said:
Why haven't we hacked other clubs servers. Cant be that hard to . After all the dippers managed it as well as pinto. I daresay there's probably posters on here who could do it.
City have been far to nice through out this process. Hopefully that ends soon.
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Well we need to be careful about this obviously but let's just say far stranger things than this are happening in the world we live in at the moment. I will say no more.
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
Fallon was suspended by the horse racing authority due to a criminal matter.

Their rules precluded appeals to the administrative court.

Fallon challenged this and given the gravity of the HRAs decision for him he was in fact allowed to appeal to the high court.

He lost that appeal on the facts but the precedent is that regardless of what sports authorities say about higher appeals the facts can give rise to them.


Fallon was represented by………Pannick
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I have always believed that was the situation.
Let's hope Pannick just had a bad day!!
 
Sorry if already posted but that **** of a journalist Ian Herbert had to get in that the Mail's KC won a legal battle with Lord Panick about even reporting on these 115 charges.
I think the odious shitbag thinks that's 1-0 to the prem league already
 
jrb said:
According to BBC United - Mediacity.

What are the 115 charges?​


• 54x Failure to provide accurate financial information 2009-10 to 2017-18.
• 14x Failure to provide accurate details for player and manager payments from 2009-10 to 2017-18.
• 5x Failure to comply with Uefa's rules including Financial Fair Play (FFP) 2013-14 to 2017-18.
• 7x Breaching Premier League's PSR rules 2015-16 to 2017-18.
• 35x Failure to co-operate with Premier League investigations December 2018 - February 2023.
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The thing is, if we can prove we provided accurate financial information, all the rest fall apart.

If our accounts were accurate, then
- so were the player and manager payments, per our accurate accounts
- we complied with uefa rules, per our accurate accounts
- we complied with psr, as per our accurate accounts
- even the noncooperaton charge becomes shoogly. They can try argue non cooperation beyond 2018, but we cooperated before that, and if our accounts were accurate up until then, there would have been no need for any further investigation beyond that point
It would be on the PL to reason why investigation should continue into the next 5 years, not strictly on us to keep cooperating indefinitely.
 
KS55 said:
Yes. The response should be: “I am the head coach of MCFC and will happily answer any questions about football. As to our accounting you will have to ask the chairman or Mr Soriano who say we have irrefutable evidence of our innocence. Whether they will grant you an interview given the lies you have told about the club is another matter. Now, any football questions?”
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Absolutely this, imagine the silence of the room.

We as a club have kept and continue to keep our powder dry, it must’ve been tough for those at the top?
 
Coatigan said:
The thing is, if we can prove we provided accurate financial information, all the rest fall apart.

If our accounts were accurate, then
- so were the player and manager payments, per our accurate accounts
- we complied with uefa rules, per our accurate accounts
- we complied with psr, as per our accurate accounts
- even the noncooperaton charge becomes shoogly. They can try argue non cooperation beyond 2018, but we cooperated before that, and if our accounts were accurate up until then, there would have been no need for any further investigation beyond that point
It would be on the PL to reason why investigation should continue into the next 5 years, not strictly on us to keep cooperating indefinitely.
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You just wanted to use the word shoogly there didn’t you.

Who do you think you are? @gordondaviesmoustache ?
 
ProofMCFC said:
Just seen a post from talkshite about Shebahn Aherne, whoever that is saying “she fears City will find a loophole” and I’m actually shocked at the comments. I would say 90% are pro city. Questioning the integrity of the league, the rags losing 300M in the last few years being brushed under the carpet , red cartel etc. It seems people are finally waking up.
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IronsideKozuch said:
Would love to hear our legal team arguments on the matter, because surely they have some (I admire Pannick for years and read two of his books), but I just think we make grave mistake by not addressing publicly the merits of charges.

Where is Khaldoon, legal, accounting team? Why you leave Pep alone with this shit?

You do not spoil Your standpoint or make a mess or fuss to avoide offending anybody, therein obviously the panel. But also as a lawyer as a ultima ratio you should publicly defend Your Client if hes publicly under fire and total attack. You defend publicly with class and dignity. And to address the claims even at overall level.

Charges have been made public and I dont recall any subsantial, official line of our defense ffs.

We can say in general and ambiguous terms, that they took emails out of context for instance about need of payment by a sponsor because its been in accordance to contract and performance payments, which were happening at regular basis etc. I mean, short summary of whatever we put forward in the pleadings.

Publicity, media attacks you. PL made charges public. You can and should defend yourself appropriately, including to drive the public narrative in Your favour. I just would love to learn the reasoning from our legal team/PR strategists. They are exceptional experts so they would probably come up with something convincing but for now Im angry;)
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Do you not find it interesting, when people say they have noticed a small shift in perception towards the case, ffp/psr, the league etc. Do you not fond it interesting if you yourself notice this shift.

Many high profile court cases, often come with a bit of a PR war for the court of public opinion on the side.

Yet all this time since the first statement on thecharges, City as a club have said absolutely nothing. Not commented, not engaged, not refuted or challenging vsrious spurious claims and stories. Pep has said a thing or two when asked, but more in tone than words, which have always been ultimately 'wait and see'.

So the PL have a free run at a one sided PR war here, with the media and punters saying whatever they feel like.

Yet somehow, perception still seems to be shifting. The club are saying nothing, the media all follow a script, and the PL are still managing to come off looking worse than when this started. At the very least,the script has become tedious.

Maybe their silent approach isn't that bad after all.
 
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Coatigan said:
Do you not find it interesting, when people say they have noticed a small shift in perception towards the case, ffp/psr, the league etc. Do you not fond it interesting if you yourself notice this shift.

Many high profile court cases, often come with a bit of a PR war for the court of public opinion on the side.

Yet all this time since the first statement on thecharges, City as a club have said absolutely nothing. Not commented, not engaged, not refuted or challenging vsrious spurious claims and stories. Pep has said a thing or two when asked, but more in tone than words, which have always been ultimately 'wait and see'.

So the PL have a free run at a one sided PR war here, with the media and punters saying whatever they feel like.

Yet somehow, perception still seems to be shifting. The club are saying nothing, the media all follow a script, and the PL are still managing to come off looking worse than when this started. At the very least,the script has become tedious.

Maybe their silent approach isn't that bad after all.
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Liverpool pr has them as the best team with the best players in every position - net result one title in 30 years, the rags pr has them as the biggest team in the world that every player is desperate to play for - net result couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery and a team full of washed up has beens and never will be.

The lesson is that pr is fun to appeal to the idiot masses but very rarely meshes with reality.
 
jrb said:
According to BBC United - Mediacity.

What are the 115 charges?​


• 54x Failure to provide accurate financial information 2009-10 to 2017-18.
• 14x Failure to provide accurate details for player and manager payments from 2009-10 to 2017-18.
• 5x Failure to comply with Uefa's rules including Financial Fair Play (FFP) 2013-14 to 2017-18.
• 7x Breaching Premier League's PSR rules 2015-16 to 2017-18.
• 35x Failure to co-operate with Premier League investigations December 2018 - February 2023.
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Good old BBC but as we are facing circa 130 charges what about the rest of them - shakes head
 
Coatigan said:
Do you not find it interesting, when people say they have noticed a small shift in perception towards the case, ffp/psr, the league etc. Do you not fond it interesting if you yourself notice this shift.

Many high profile court cases, often come with a bit of a PR war for the court of public opinion on the side.

Yet all this time since the first statement on thecharges, City as a club have said absolutely nothing. Not commented, not engaged, not refuted or challenging vsrious spurious claims and stories. Pep has said a thing or two when asked, but more in tone than words, which have always been ultimately 'wait and see'.

So the PL have a free run at a one sided PR war here, with the media and punters saying whatever they feel like.

Yet somehow, perception still seems to be shifting. The club are saying nothing, the media all follow a script, and the PL are still managing to come off looking worse than when this started. At the very least,the script has become tedious.

Maybe their silent approach isn't that bad after all.
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as my grandfather used to say...

never argue with an idiot.
he will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.
 
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