PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

1Basti said:
imo these 6744 pages are the perfect psy-op for people who hate city...for nearly 2 years it`s trending every fucking day even when we won the CL ...it`s constantly reminds us/me that we are perhaps "cheats"...idk why the owner/admin didn`t close this thread over the years/months/days till there are newsworthy developments...every city fan should know what`s up since the UEFA vs city case
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This thread has allowed people like me with no legal or financial expertise to understand the nature of the allegations, and as such has been invaluable.
 
hammocity said:
I'm really struggling to understand why we're being charged by the Premier League for failing UEFA FFP rules when we'd already agreed on a fine and restrictions on the squad going back years ago. Why aren't the Dippers being charged as they would have failed UEFA FFP one year but weren't in Europe so they got away with it.
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We're not being charged with failing FFP but there's a PL rule that teams playing in UEFA competitions have to provide accurate accounts to the PL (as they do the licensing).
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
We're not being charged with failing FFP but there's a PL rule that teams playing in UEFA competitions have to provide accurate accounts to the PL (as they do the licensing).
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That's right we are being charged with feud like the dippers were when spending 50 million to dig a hole in Stanley Park.......oh wait
 
1Basti said:
imo these 6744 pages are the perfect psy-op for people who hate city...for nearly 2 years it`s trending every fucking day even when we won the CL ...it`s constantly reminds us/me that we are perhaps "cheats"...idk why the owner/admin didn`t close this thread over the years/months/days till there are newsworthy developments...every city fan should know what`s up since the UEFA vs city case
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Sorry mate. I'll delete it in a bit.
 
Who wants to bet that united clear the PSR figure by about 50p and had the ahhhem covid allowance been a couple of million less they would have been in deep shit. What a coincidence that amount plus scruffy Jims scandalously large purchase allowance was just enough to clear the bar eh? Almost like the whole thing was cooked up to allow them a free pass despite being run like a drunken whorehouse.
I wonder if Everton want to be kept informed of that?
 
Didsbury Dave said:
It’s not just the “redshirts” as you call them, is it? It’s pretty much the whole football world. These people know what is at stake here. I’m not saying that they will find us guilty on all counts for no reason but I’m saying that they may well feel they have to punish us for something or the whole thing has been a waste of time and money.
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The PL may be thinking that, but I doubt very much the retired judges and KCs on the panel will concern themselves either with what the "whole football world" (even if it were true and not hyperbolic) wants or with the amount of money spent by the PL.

I know these are emotional times, but it's not like you to be so prone to conspiracy, DD.

Of course, it is very possible some of the less serious allegations may be proven, but it will be on the basis of evidence and legalities, not outside pressure.

All imho, of course.
 
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marco said:
fixture strike would be the best option from teams such as city,forest, everton,newcastle and im sure there are others,it would soon congest the PL to a point where it cant continue for the season 'the longer it goes on the worse it gets' but things need to change immediately because this favouritism cant continue
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I'm not sure it would. If one team refused to play for whatever reason then I think the league will open a disciplinary case, award the game to their opponents with a fixed scoreline and discipline said club with a huge fine and / or (suspended) points deduction
 
Didsbury Dave said:
It’s not just the “redshirts” as you call them, is it? It’s pretty much the whole football world. These people know what is at stake here. I’m not saying that they will find us guilty on all counts for no reason but I’m saying that they may well feel they have to punish us for something or the whole thing has been a waste of time and money.
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I think we can assume that senior lawyers presiding on an arbitral tribunal won't be susceptible to that kind of pressure.

In fact, if they think that the PL have made allegations that amount to fraud, and those allegations are not made out, I expect they will make that quite plain in the judgment. As did CAS (although CAS did note that the leaked emails constituted a valid basis for investigation - which seems unarguably correct).

The panel members have had no involvement in the investigation or the decision to charge.

Non cooperation however is clearly in play. I suspect the club is quite likely to face some sanction for that, irrespective of the outcome on the substantive.
 
So Tebas has been talking to PL clubs and has found that many of them “want City to be punished.”

Do any of these thickos stop for one second to wonder why the head of an entirely different league, in an entirely different part of Europe, would want to talk to them about such a matter? Do any of them stop to notice that that league contains two clubs that have maintained a hegemonic position over a period, now, of decades? Decades. And that one of those two clubs maintains the same hegemonic position over Europe's premier competition?
Do any of these thickos consider, for one second, the possibility that they are being manipulated to aid and abet a status quo that they will never, ever break into. And that one club (and arguably Chelsea) has emerged in the last forty years to break into that status quo, and that the establishment clubs (Liverpool, United, maybe Arsenal in England, you know who the rest are in Europe) truly hate it?
Which masters do they really think they're serving?
 
Lovebitesandeveryfing said:
So Tebas has been talking to PL clubs and has found that many of them “want City to be punished.”

Do any of these thickos stop for one second to wonder why the head of an entirely different league, in an entirely different part of Europe, would want to talk to them about such a matter? Do any of them stop to notice that that league contains two clubs that have maintained a hegemonic position over a period, now, of decades? Decades. And that one of those two clubs maintains the same hegemonic position over Europe's premier competition?
Do any of these thickos consider, for one second, the possibility that they are being manipulated to aid and abet a status quo that they will never, ever break into. And that one club (and arguably Chelsea) has emerged in the last forty years to break into that status quo, and that the establishment clubs (Liverpool, United, maybe Arsenal in England, you know who the rest are in Europe) truly hate it?
Which masters do they really think they're serving?
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Not to mention supporting a racist anti- Muslim twat.
 
KS55 said:
Not to mention supporting a racist anti- Muslim twat.
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Tebas is symptmatic of the dinosaurs running football and the outmoded attitudes they hold, they have no place in modern society or sport and regardless of what happens with us football will be much better off without them in it.

Anyone who doesnt recognise this for what it is which is a last desperate power grab by a group who knows theyre time is up is part of the problem.
 
halfcenturyup said:
The PL may be thinking that, but I doubt very much the retired judges and KCs on the panel will concern themselves either with what the "whole football world" (even if it were true and not hyperbolic) wants or with amount of money spent by the PL.

I know these are emotional times, but it's not like you to be so prone to conspiracy, DD.

Of course, it is very possible some of the less serious allegations may be proven, but it will be on the basis of evidence and legalities, not outside pressure.

All imho, of course.
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Replying to myself here, which is a bit weird, but if I was Rosen I would be appointing panel members without any affiliation to any premier league club whether they have a direct or indirect interest in this case or not. Hell, any panel member who has an interest in football at all. When it comes to the verdict, City's lawyers would be on the merest suggestion of bias in the reasoning quicker than a rat up a drainpipe. I have no doubt he will be appointing the best qualified, most independent people on this of all cases. After all, the primary arguments are entirely legal, nothing to do with football at all.

What do we think?
 
halfcenturyup said:
Replying to myself here, which is a bit weird, but if I was Rosen I would be appointing panel members without any affiliation to any premier league club whether they have a direct or indirect interest in this case or not. Hell, any panel member who has an interest in football at all. When it comes to the verdict, City's lawyers would be on the merest suggestion of bias in the reasoning quicker than a rat up a drainpipe. I have no doubt he will be appointing the best qualified, most independent people on this of all cases. After all, the primary arguments are entirely legal, nothing to do with football at all.

What do we think?
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When you say 'we' do you mean you and @halfcenturyup?
 
I wonder how the decision will be published. With CAS, we knew the protocol. There'd be an initial award with the basic explanation, and then the full decision would come later.

The stories were obviously written as 'City's two year ban lifted' and it was, despite some desperately clinging onto the non-cooperation charge, a clear victory.

Anyone think the Independent commission will do us the same favour? Or will they simply say (as an example), 'Manchester City found guilty of X amount of charges and fined X amount.' Leaving room for initial panic and fury, even if they only get us on non-cooperation.
 
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