North Stand Construction Discussion

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

No idea, but for the club to have offered the 3000 standing sets to 1894 I’m guessing those will be similar to what they are paying in 115 whatever that is. Only basing that on ,it seems a bit silly if they are wanting 1894 up there but will then make them pay much more. Not impossible but fairly unlikely.

I think we need more detail around pricing and how many season cards will be available. Liverpools a bad example of what to do, they extended and made only 1,000 tickets available as season cards out of 7,000 or so. It’s completely killed the atmosphere.

I’m expecting it to be more than ss3, but cheaper than other areas.

 

[Coatigan]

@Coatigan

were you booted out of / refused membership of the 1894 group ?

There's gotta be some reason behind your irrational dislike of them

Why is it irrational?

I am commenting on their public statement. As I did on the club's.

My somewhat colourful language aside, there is a point for them to consider if they wish to, about the perception of it.

Fwiw, I filled in the questionnaire, I put money into their uefa banner, I loved their arsenal game banners. But I think they are way off here. As is their attitude.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Fully agree woth @Coatigan
1894 do my head in. They / he / she moan about everything and lost my support a while a go. They certainly don't represent me.

Completely disagree about ‘moaning about everything’. They are one of the only groups standing up for our fans.

They’ve protested and stood against ticket price rises, fans being forced out, cheaper away tickets and safe standing - I wouldn’t call that moaning. They represent huge numbers of our fans views.

This is only chance we have to get this stand right. Something that was never considered when we first moved to our current ground. The club should be challenged at times and we shouldn’t accept everything.

I think the development looks great by the way

 

[Coatigan]

One thing that hasn’t really been mentioned is the what the price of tickets will be. We could build a yellow wall like dortmund, but if the tickets are expensive it wouldn’t matter.

Spurs built an amazing new south stand and the atmosphere is crap because they’ve priced out most of the core support. Hopefully the prices are reasonable

Indeed. Although they did say there will be further announcements to come, and we are a year away from the stand itself being finished.

 

[blueparrot]

Why is it irrational?

I am commenting on their public statement. As I did on the club's.

My somewhat colourful language aside, there is a point for them to consider if they wish to, about the perception of it.

Fwiw, I filled in the questionnaire, I put money into their uefa banner, I loved their arsenal game banners. But I think they are way off here. As is their attitude.

My issue isn’t 1894 or their aims or ambition of what they’d like to see in the stand, nor what they do for match day atmosphere.
Where I take issue is this red lines nonsense and a refusal to compromise or consider the advantages of moving. Just seems stubborn and cutting of noses for no good reason which they may come to regret .
Plus sometimes an assumption in the way they put out statements that they represent the views of all City fans S\ C holders and match day fans.

 

[Coatigan]

My issue isn’t 1894 or their aims or ambition of what they’d like to see in the stand, nor what they do for match day atmosphere.
Where I take issue is this red lines nonsense and a refusal to compromise or consider the advantages of moving. Just seems stubborn and cutting of noses for no good reason which they may come to regret .
Plus sometimes an assumption in the way they put out statements that they represent the views of all City fans S\ C holders and match day fans.

That's it. When the club have shown a shift and some level of compromise, with the door open to further movement as they move forward, for the 1984 to immediately issue that cliche riddled pile of crap with a clear implication of distrust, is just low, and massively undermines their own arguement.

It is an own goal, and looks like it is them that are unwilling to engage or listen, not the club. And I am seemingly not alone in losing sympathy for them.

The old saying 'the night brings good advice' is quite relevant here, they should have slept on it, taken their time, read the statement and responded like sensible adults imo. I don't buy that even their own members had the time to digest both statements, and the last paragraph is just pure indulgence.

I said it on here shortly after the club announcement, it puts it back onto the fans to not come off as unreasonable now. Whether they want to realise it or not, their own response turns the tables.

 

[LEXSTARproject]

 

[There is a Light]

Fully agree woth @Coatigan
1894 do my head in. They / he / she moan about everything and lost my support a while a go. They certainly don't represent me.

Load of bollocks. Sometimes detrimental change is implemented so slowly it is hardly noticed. The next thing you know the club is hardly recognisable from the one you know and love.

1894 are wise to it, they’re on the front foot to make things difficult for the club to implement their real strategy - making our ground increasingly corporate, making tickets unaffordable for the average fan, removing season tickets so more tickets can be sold for inflated prices with little or no regard of whose hands they fall into, trying to squeeze an extra few pounds out of disabled supporters. That’s not to mention the work they do supporting local food banks and taking a stand on wider issues like the ridiculous number of trips to Wembley and kick off times which impact all of us.

You should be grateful there is a group who is actually alert to what is really happening and is willing to speak up instead of rolling over and accepting the club executives true vision. If they weren’t making a noise about these issues I couldn’t see lackies like City Matters or the OSC making a peep about them, let alone making any real difference.

 

[awest]

You'll never sing that
You'll never sing that
We've got religious rooms and breakout spaces
You'll never sing that

 

[blueparrot]

Load of bollocks. Sometimes detrimental change is implemented so slowly it is hardly noticed. The next thing you know the club is hardly recognisable from the one you know and love.

1894 are wise to it, they’re on the front foot to make things difficult for the club to implement their real strategy - making our ground increasingly corporate, making tickets unaffordable for the average fan, removing season tickets so more tickets can be sold for inflated prices with little or no regard of whose hands they fall into, trying to squeeze an extra few pounds out of disabled supporters. That’s not to mention the work they do supporting local food banks and taking a stand on wider issues like the ridiculous number of trips to Wembley and kick off times which impact all of us.

You should be grateful there is a group who is actually alert to what is really happening and is willing to speak up instead of rolling over and accepting the club executives true vision. If they weren’t making a noise about these issues I couldn’t see lackies like City Matters or the OSC making a peep about them, let alone making any real difference.

How are an extra 3000 safe standing seats with a possibility they can be increased if there is DEMAND,plus a ring fenced amount of tickets for U21 s, detrimental things,how are they more corporate.
Surely these are things to be worked with not worked against.

 

[HelloCity]

Load of bollocks. Sometimes detrimental change is implemented so slowly it is hardly noticed. The next thing you know the club is hardly recognisable from the one you know and love.

1894 are wise to it, they’re on the front foot to make things difficult for the club to implement their real strategy - making our ground increasingly corporate, making tickets unaffordable for the average fan, removing season tickets so more tickets can be sold for inflated prices with little or no regard of whose hands they fall into, trying to squeeze an extra few pounds out of disabled supporters. That’s not to mention the work they do supporting local food banks and taking a stand on wider issues like the ridiculous number of trips to Wembley and kick off times which impact all of us.

You should be grateful there is a group who is actually alert to what is really happening and is willing to speak up instead of rolling over and accepting the club executives true vision. If they weren’t making a noise about these issues I couldn’t see lackies like City Matters or the OSC making a peep about them, let alone making any real difference.

Great post.

I noticed one of the people earlier pushing back on those sharing this view was one of those ‘if you can’t afford it don’t go’ types.

Thankfully groups like 1894 still fight for the rights of fans rather than boot lick or roll over to the corporate juggernaut.

 

[pottsy]

Yeah I did, they can get fucked and all.

To issue such a petty moany response, mere hours after the club announcement, smacks of pure entitlement and self indulgence. Did they even have time to consult their own members? Did they fuck.

They have a very limited and stubborn view, and despite passing it off as representing many, it comes off as a singular personal crusade. I don't even think they actually care, they just want to champion their conflict with the club.

That's how their statements have read so far. It is almost embarrassing.

Zero sympathy or even understanding for them now.

given everything they do is of their own spare time and costs them financially themselves to put in the last thing 1894 are about is self indulgence

they have gone to their membership and got as many responses as possible so they've actually done something no other City supporters group has done, even though they could quite easily do that

did they have time to consult their members ? they've done that throughout, members gave them the red lines to negotiate on and take to the club. you don't move house without knowing the cost first or even if you can buy it - or when you get there you can only ever rent it. that's why announcements on prices and availability of seasoncards is important, you can't have an atmosphere with 8,000 different people there each week.

negotiation pays off - the statement says the door remains open. the first meeting there was no provision for safe standing/ rail seating at all. the second meeting the club came up with 3000 and now they are saying there's a possibility of 3000. that's the club moving position slowly.

not sure anyone at 1894 would seek your sympathy or understanding if you can't see the detail is important for fans to make an informed choice

 

[blueparrot]

given everything they do is of their own spare time and costs them financially themselves to put in the last thing 1894 are about is self indulgence

they have gone to their membership and got as many responses as possible so they've actually done something no other City supporters group has done, even though they could quite easily do that

did they have time to consult their members ? they've done that throughout, members gave them the red lines to negotiate on and take to the club. you don't move house without knowing the cost first or even if you can buy it - or when you get there you can only ever rent it. that's why announcements on prices and availability of seasoncards is important, you can't have an atmosphere with 8,000 different people there each week.

negotiation pays off - the statement says the door remains open. the first meeting there was no provision for safe standing/ rail seating at all. the second meeting the club came up with 3000 and now they are saying there's a possibility of 3000. that's the club moving position slowly.

not sure anyone at 1894 would seek your sympathy or understanding if you can't see the detail is important for fans to make an informed choice

They aren’t moving to 7/8000 so that’s a stupid red line. They have said they will increase the 3000 if demand is there, so prove the demand is there by filling the 3000.

 

[jrb]

The 1894 members were consulted by 1894. Their feedback was given to the club. The club know exactly what the 1894 members wanted.

Did the club consult with the wider City fan base about the configuration of the North stand? Do the club know what the wider City fan base wanted for the configuration of the North stand?

Rather than slating 1894, why don't you ask yourself why the club didn't engage with you and the wider fan base about the configuration of the North stand?

Bar the 1894 questionnaire feedback, the discussions with the fan reps, which were NDA'd by the club, the club got no feedback at all from the wider fan base about the configuration of the North stand.

If you read the 1894 statement properly instead of getting all emotional and upset about it, there are a lot of good ideas that were put forward to the club that the wider fan base may have supported?

And no, 1894 don't think they represent 'all City fans'. Just to clear that misconception up. 1894 are just one voice supporting City fans.

 

[Giovinco]

Not sure about these alcohol free zones

 

[jrb]

In September I got an email questionnaire from the club.



I would have liked a similar email questionnaire for the North stand configuration, but as far as I'm aware the club never sent any out.

 

[jrb]

Are there any walk in showers? :-)

 

[fivercider]

Not sure about these alcohol free zones

It’s a typo.

It’s actually ‘free alcohol zones’.

 

[PragueBlue]

Seems a reasonable balance in the plans to me.

 

[pottsy]

They aren’t moving to 7/8000 so that’s a stupid red line. They have said they will increase the 3000 if demand is there, so prove the demand is there by filling the 3000.

how can you prove the demand without knowing any prices and if there's a commitment to the atmosphere. they currently take seats returned from the south stand and put them into the corporate allocation and sell on as a package for huge amounts. would they do the same in the north stand. yes they would - unless they go unchecked.

club has not clarified if the section is one section or split
it would be behind thousands of other City fans who are sat down
It would be in front of hotel room balconies and under a restaurant / hospitality floating 3rd tier
there is no detail on prices or if there is a commitment to re-introduce seasoncards

some people probably sign for a house without getting a survey done or reading the small print

do you think fans should move there without knowing any detail ?
do you think the fact they didn't survey the support or put the plans in with the council and got approval 9 months before offering to speak to any fan group is a good sign ?

they've not said they are not going. they've said make it attractive to fans and tell fans the full picture on prices, they'll have a business plan and fans are entitled to ask what that is