The Labour Government

meltonblue said:
Personally I haven’t seen anything that I’d call grubby that I think is particularly important. I do think they have been incredibly naive though. I’ll cut them a bit of slack having been out of power for 15 years so they’re coming in with basically no experience but they do need to learn quickly.

Time will if they’ve got it in them. I doubt it but got to live in hope :)
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How is the wfa naive?
How is grabbing stuff naive?
How is slating P&O then knocking one of your ministers for doing it naive.?

The simple fact is Starmer is not the person some people thought he was. The only naivety belongs to those people.
 
hilts said:
How is the wfa naive?
How is grabbing stuff naive?
How is slating P&O then knocking one of your ministers for doing it naive.?

The simple fact is Starmer is not the person some people thought he was. The only naivety belongs to those people.
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Wasn’t referring to the wfa, think that was just a shit policy. By grabbing stuff, do you mean the freebies? I absolutely do think they were naive with that one. On the P&O issue, the transport secretary was absolutely naive to say what she did.

I didn’t say they were only naive though, just that they clearly have been since they’ve come into power. On Starmer, I have no idea what person he is still, which says a lot in itself!
 
meltonblue said:
Wasn’t referring to the wfa, think that was just a shit policy. By grabbing stuff, do you mean the freebies? I absolutely do think they were naive with that one. On the P&O issue, the transport secretary was absolutely naive to say what she did.

I didn’t say they were only naive though, just that they clearly have been since they’ve come into power. On Starmer, I have no idea what person he is still, which says a lot in itself!
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She was honest not naive, the story is Starmer not her, it seems people prefer an honest politician to an hypocritical one. Especially a company suck up tosser.

He may have been naive thinking he wouldn't get caught grabbing but I would call that stupidity. I mean what world has this guy been living in.

He has lost any sort of trust in his character remarkably quick. This doesn't do any of us any good. Another turd in charge yipee.
 
hilts said:
She was honest not naive, the story is Starmer not her, it seems people prefer an honest politician to an hypocritical one. Especially a company suck up tosser.

He may have been naive thinking he wouldn't get caught grabbing but I would call that stupidity. I mean what world has this guy been living in.

He has lost any sort of trust in his character remarkably quick. This doesn't do any of us any good. Another turd in charge yipee.
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I do agree with your first paragraph. Depends what lens you put on it, unfortunately the perception is an honest politician to that extent is a naive one!

Linked to your second paragraph too as the only reason we know about most of the freebies is due to Starmer being more honest than others previously about it. Some of the things they declared would never have even been know about previously.

Not sure why anyone would have trusted him anyway from a political perspective though! More than others maybe but he’d already shown he wasn’t a man firmly wedded to political principles.
 
what we have seen is a concerted attack from the R/W press - predictable from Tory K - enlightening from others but what it boils down to is this - City are found guilty and relegated to Div 2. Some players understandably leave and we recruit to the level we need. Pep doesn't renew his contract and we recruit ex-Blue Paul Simpson as coach to get us out of it. The Xmas fixtures are coming up and we are alternating 2nd to 3rd place and the Mail, the Sun, the Star, the Telegraph, the Express et al splash across their back pages how City are failing because after 3 months of the season we are not in the CL places ...........
 
johnnytapia said:
I’m chuckling reading my pay packet this month. Nice above inflation pay rise thanks to my union-controlled government!! Beautiful.
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A fair comment although I’d wait for the budget to see just how much of it Reeves is going to take back off you before making those spending plans.
 
stonerblue said:
Whatever the right wing media says today..
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Yeah coz all the negative things we have discussed never really happened. Even the RW Guardian are now in on it all.

But but Tory K. Pmsl.

We do have some RW posters going after them with Gusto this should really have not been a surprise. It has happened the other way round for years and years helped by an incredibly shit govt.

One could counter with - but the Tories, laughable whataboutery, how dying of cold is fair if you didn't get yourself a decent private pension or a rather desperate musing about City in the 2nd division.

Oh that's already happened:-)


Carry on.
 
I think I may have mentioned Tory Lite would be a fucking disaster. And I will make a prediction to you. The next elections for our parliament will see the SNP remaining the in majority.

This will hopefully show, that regardless if it’s Tory’s or Tory Lite, we are fucked. Starmer broke every promise he made to get elected. The country has been brought to its knees through Tory economic and cultural negligence. Brexit, the pandemic, Truss trashing the economy. Labour win and who do they go to to claw back money. Pensioners. The disabled getting less support. Labour? Don’t make me fucking laugh. Traitors to the working class. When the Tories fuck up, we pay. Even when the party who should be fighting our corner are in power. Fucking cowards.
 
I would probably give them an 8 or 8.5 out of 10 so far.
Solved the Junior Doctors industrial action quickly
Solved the train drivers industrial action quickly
Dealt decisively with the Farage riots
Brought forward legislation for renters rights
Introduced the workers rights bill
Slight drop for the winter fuel allowance as I believe it should be means tested, it shouldn't be a single cut off amount.
Looking forward to the budget hoping that the wealthy corporations will at last be forced to pay their share to the society they milk for profits and the non- dom loopholes are closed along with the offshore tax havens in UK protectorates
 
blueinsa said:
lol.

Seems like you need and crave an echo chamber cock?

Shame this isn’t one for you.
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Having a different opinion is fine.

When it’s negative about everything without any notion of positivity, it just becomes a drone of cynical depression.

It’s no wonder you posted how miserable you were.
 
urban genie said:
there is a clear negative reporting tactic going on from the right side of politics, which 99% or our press is
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Because that's what the country is mate. That's why Starmer got 20% of the electorate voting for him and 80% not.

The minor issue for the majority was that the Tory party had become unelectable and people were not prepared to hold their noses and vote for them any longer. So we have a Labour government a majority never wanted, and when they've turned out to be far worse than anyone could have possibly imagined, it's hardly surprising everyone - who didn't vote for them in the first place - is against them.

If there was a GE tomorrow, the Monster Raving Looney party might win. Labour would certainly get even less than 20% of the electorate voting for them. Reflect upon that for a moment: Less than 1 in 5 would vote for them*

Therefore, is it any wonder that the media, who ultimately just want to sell clicks or newspapers, are being critical? They merely reflect the mood of the nation.



* Given only 1 in 5 voted for them in the first place and now they are far less popular than then.
 
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Chippy_boy said:
Because that's what the country is mate.
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Not sure it is you know, or at least won't be for much longer if current trends hold. Back in Feb the FT did an analysis of the issues facing the Conservative party. There was a graph that showed propensity to vote for a conservative/rw party by age across a number of developed western countries. So percentage inclined to vote rw on one axis and age on the other. The data plot for the UK has become markedly different from other similar countries.

Most countries showed the traditional graph you'd expect with a steady increase in conservative/rw voters as age went up. What was interesting about the UK plot was (a) it's start point was much lower so the percentage of people voting conservative/rw at a young age was significantly lower than the other countries (b) but more importantly the expected linear growth of a greater percentage voting conservative/RW just wasn't there like it was in the other countries graphs. It wasn't quite flat lining but the gradient was very low compared to other countries until you got to much higher ages and then it climbed much more steeply. The implication was that the under 50s are rejecting/failing to gravitate to rw politics at a much higher level than in comparable countries. Might be a temporary trend but if not the conservatives will need a huge rethink.
 
Chippy_boy said:
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If there was a GE tomorrow, the Monster Raving Looney party might win. Labour would certainly get even less than 20% of The electorate voting for them. Reflect upon that for a moment:
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You sound like an Arsenal fan, Chippy.

Nobody's giving out trophies after three months of a five year parliament.
 
threespires said:
Not sure it is you know, or at least won't be for much longer if current trends hold. Back in Feb the FT did an analysis of the issues facing the Conservative party. There was a graph that showed propensity to vote for a conservative/rw party by age across a number of developed western countries. So percentage inclined to vote rw on one axis and age on the other. The data plot for the UK has become markedly different from other similar countries.

Most countries showed the traditional graph you'd expect with a steady increase in conservative/rw voters as age went up. What was interesting about the UK plot was (a) it's start point was much lower so the percentage of people voting conservative/rw at a young age was significantly lower than the other countries (b) but more importantly the expected linear growth of a greater percentage voting conservative/RW just wasn't there like it was in the other countries graphs. It wasn't quite flat lining but the gradient was very low compared to other countries until you got to much higher ages and then it climbed much more steeply. The implication was that the under 50s are rejecting/failing to gravitate to rw politics at a much higher level than in comparable countries. Might be a temporary trend but if not the conservatives will need a huge rethink.
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Interesting info - thanks!

There's a couple of things I think are going on here.

1. There's a difference between generally supporting conservative principles, and on the other hand, being a supporter of the Conservative government per se. My point really was that I think population is generally the former, not the latter. The Conservative party - in the form of the last government - were clearly not popular at all. In large part because they had been in for so long and the lot of the average Brit is not exactly great at the moment, so irrespective of cause, the incumbent government is never going to be popular.

And 2 - from my perspective, MUCH more concerning - is that I wonder to what extent the woke left has infiltrated and brainwashed academia? Not much reported at all was one of Starmer's first initiatives - to halt implementation of the Higher Education (Freedom of Speech) Act 2023.

Why on earth would a government - ANY government - seek to stifle freedom of speech??? It's well understood that Universities in particular are riddled with woke leftist academics, and quite predicatable if their woke lefty views rub off on a yound electorate student base.
 
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