Keir Starmer

[Phil1]

I reckon chippy voted at least a 100 times in that poll..

 

[BlueHammer85]

Can anyone be a successful PM nowadays with the amount of scrutiny and shit thrown at them constantly? Honestly think it’s an impossible ask

 

[mosssideblue]

Can anyone be a successful PM nowadays with the amount of scrutiny and shit thrown at them constantly? Honestly think it’s an impossible ask

particularly when the media hone in on the slightest err rather than evaluate and promote the positives

 

[Brewster's millions]

Can anyone be a successful PM nowadays with the amount of scrutiny and shit thrown at them constantly? Honestly think it’s an impossible ask

It’s a genuine question, and whoever the PM is, they have to face the background pressure of high debt, rising taxes and the wider health/demographic spending pressures. If you look at the underlying trends, it’s been pretty much the same story for the past 25 years - albeit getting worse over time - and it’s only made the job more difficult because the pressure is always there.

That’s the reality of the situation, and tackling that requires some very difficult and mostly unpopular measures which will probably get you kicked out of office. But what you can’t do is make the scrutiny worse by doing daft shit, being a hypocrite and constantly creating another angle for people to attack you.

 

[BlueHammer85]

It’s a genuine question, and whoever the PM is, they have to face the background pressure of high debt, rising taxes and the wider health/demographic spending pressures. If you look at the underlying trends, it’s been pretty much the same story for the past 25 years - albeit getting worse over time - and it’s only made the job more difficult because the pressure is always there.

That’s the reality of the situation, and tackling that requires some very difficult and mostly unpopular measures which will probably get you kicked out of office. But what you can’t do is make the scrutiny worse by doing daft shit, being a hypocrite and constantly creating another angle for people to attack you.

The other issue is that we have a population outraged over someone declaring a free pair of glasses but totally gloss over any positives and changes that a government make - ending strikes in public and transport sector, implementing positive changes for workers rights, building relations with Europe, ending riots, tackling debt etc etc. all that is totally swept under the carpet because the front page news is often dedicated to someone in Labour getting a free pair of Taylor Swift tickets.

 

[Brewster's millions]

The other issue is that we have a population outraged over someone declaring a free pair of glasses but totally gloss over any positives and changes that a government make - ending strikes in public and transport sector, implementing positive changes for workers rights, building relations with Europe, ending riots, tackling debt etc etc. all that is totally swept under the carpet because the front page news is often dedicated to someone in Labour getting a free pair of Taylor Swift tickets.

So you don’t take the free glasses and the other freebies, because it will always piss people off.

Not a difficult decision.

The other stuff about ending the strikes, building relations with Europe - do you actually believe that? Serious question.

 

[BrianW]

Anyone who thought the land of milk and honey was coming was naive.

It was always going to be tough, not least because Labour are conforming to the 'conventional' approach and are in absolute dread of upsetting the markets.

1. The country is up to its eyes in debt.
2. Growth has been poor for some years and productivity has been an issue for decades.
3. We live on trade, and our trade has been fucked by the stupid Brexit decision which massively increases bureaucracy, delays and costs in any dealings with our most significant and proximate market. From which we import much of our food.
4. The number of pensioners is growing by the year and people are living longer. (Despite being arguably the most privileged generation in history, all a lot of pensioners do is fucking whine. And I am one!)
5. No one wants to pay more tax. (This is understandable when wages are low compared to the wicked cost of living. But it doesn't help.)
6. The world is more unstable than it has been for years, thanks to Putin and sundry other cunts.
7. We have had 14 years of an inept government focused on Brexit and then culture wars. They did nothing but divide the country and have completely fucked practically every public service you can name.

 

[BlueHammer85]

So you don’t take the free glasses and the other freebies, because it will always piss people off.

Not a difficult decision.

The other stuff about ending the strikes, building relations with Europe - do you actually believe that? Serious question.

In hindsight yes, but it was nothing illegal and all declared - the media made a complete storm in a tea cup over it, which they can do about anything. there is always something the media can find,blow up and put everyone into a frenzy. especially the gullible and those who already hate Labour.

second point, yes.

 

[Chippy_boy]

The other issue is that we have a population outraged over someone declaring a free pair of glasses but totally gloss over any positives and changes that a government make - ending strikes in public and transport sector, implementing positive changes for workers rights, building relations with Europe, ending riots, tackling debt etc etc. all that is totally swept under the carpet because the front page news is often dedicated to someone in Labour getting a free pair of Taylor Swift tickets.

Perhaps because most of the population do not see all of the above as positives, like you do?

Ending strikes by just paying people off, is not deserving of any credit. You or I could have done that if in charge. “Here Pete - lob them some money - sorted”. That’s brilliance, sheer brilliance. (Putting aside the fact that he has been banging on for 100 days about not having any money!”

The changes to workers’ rights have been rushed through and ill thought out. They will be very damaging to growth, significantly depressing employers’ propensity to hire additional staff. (And doing this whilst also banging on for 100 days about a pro-business growth agenda, is fucking bizarre.)

Many people (most people?) are deeply concerned about two tier policing and the very obvious leaning on the judiciary to put people in prison in a matter of hours for anything remotely connected with the disturbances, whilst protesters in other matters were ignored, or even praised. Locking up people for tweets, whilst letting rapists and other violent criminals out early to accommodate them? So no credit there either.

Building relations with Europe as a precursor to softening Brexit even further, in direct conflict with what the country voted for in the referendum.

Only a Labour zealot such as yourself would list the above as unconditionally positive.

What I will say is he said the right things at the conference yesterday, but let’s see if they were just his usual hollow words - he’s very good at that - or they will be backed up by positive actions.

 

[hilts]

Can anyone be a successful PM nowadays with the amount of scrutiny and shit thrown at them constantly? Honestly think it’s an impossible ask

We could give it Southgate till the end of the term:-)

 

[hilts]

particularly when the media hone in on the slightest err rather than evaluate and promote the positives

Do shaking pensioners fit under carpets? I:-)

 

[BlueHammer85]

Perhaps because most of the population do not see all of the above as positives, like you do?

Because the right wing media and people like yourself will constantly bang the drum for negativity and hatred against Labour, you will never change your position no matter what they do. everyone on here knows it.

Ending strikes by just paying people off, is not deserving of any credit. You or I could have done that if in charge. “Here Pete - lob them some money - sorted”. That’s brilliance, sheer brilliance. (Putting aside the fact that he has been banging on for 100 days about not having any money!”

That's not what they did though is it, they actually sat round with unions and leaders and discussed fair and sensible pay and conditions, something which the Tories could not achieve in 14 years. If we continued to ignore the pay demands then we would continue having strikes which was costing our economy billions. would you have preferred that?

The changes to workers’ rights have been rushed through and ill thought out. They will be very damaging to growth, significantly depressing employers’ propensity to hire additional staff. (And doing this whilst also banging on for 100 days about a pro-business growth agenda, is fucking bizarre.)

Rushed through? they're getting criticized for the delay in getting this through.

SSP from 1st day instead of 4 days , removing SSP for lowest paid, paternity leave for fathers, unpaid parental leave, flexible working requests are all sensible and good changes (oh yeh, i thought Labour had no plans as Rishi liked to remind us at every opportunity)

of course, and little surprise that you would find all those changes a negative though.

Many people (most people?) are deeply concerned about two tier policing and the very obvious leaning on the judiciary to put people in prison in a matter of hours for anything remotely connected with the disturbances, whilst protesters in other matters were ignored, or even praised. So no credit there either.

two tier policing is a complete load of bollox made up from likes of Farage and GB News, only you would be upset about low life wankers giving away locations of hotels and mosques to burn down getting punished.

Building relations with Europe as a precursor to softening Brexit even further, in direct conflict with what the country voted for in the referendum.

No, rejoining the EU would be in direct conflict. which we was told Labour would do - yet instead they're just building closer ties to mainly deal with international threat and migrant issue and work some trade arrangements. Brexit has been a disaster for the UK and the economy - everyone knows that. it's a joke you would even scoff at Labour for trying to ensemble relations.

 

[mosssideblue]

Because the right wing media and people like yourself will constantly bang the drum for negativity and hatred against Labour, you will never change your position no matter what they do. everyone on here knows it.



That's not what they did though is it, they actually sat round with unions and leaders and discussed fair and sensible pay and conditions, something which the Tories could not achieve in 14 years. If we continued to ignore the pay demands then we would continue having strikes which was costing our economy billions. would you have preferred that?



Rushed through? they're getting criticized for the delay in getting this through.

SSP from 1st day instead of 4 days , removing SSP for lowest paid, paternity leave for fathers, unpaid parental leave, flexible working requests are all sensible and good changes (oh yeh, i thought Labour had no plans as Rishi liked to remind us at every opportunity)

of course, and little surprise that you would find all those changes a negative though.



two tier policing is a complete load of bollox made up from likes of Farage and GB News, only you would be upset about low life wankers giving away locations of hotels and mosques to burn down getting punished.



No, rejoining the EU would be in direct conflict. which we was told Labour would do - yet instead they're just building closer ties to mainly deal with international threat and migrant issue and work some trade arrangements. Brexit has been a disaster for the UK and the economy - everyone knows that. it's a joke you would even scoff at Labour for trying to ensemble relations.

Ignore him mate. He has openly admitted on here that he is on the wind up

 

[BlueHammer85]

Ignore him mate. He has openly admitted on here that he is on the wind up

true, its obvious and boring. similar to Bigga on the US political threads.

 

[Lowtower]

That Mirror poll is pretty damning like.

 

[bluenova]

That Mirror poll is pretty damning like.

It's hardly a surprise. The biggest surprise it that they can find 6% of people who are impressed.

 

[stonerblue]

Perhaps because most of the population do not see all of the above as positives, like you do?

Ending strikes by just paying people off, is not deserving of any credit. You or I could have done that if in charge. “Here Pete - lob them some money - sorted”. That’s brilliance, sheer brilliance. (Putting aside the fact that he has been banging on for 100 days about not having any money!”

The changes to workers’ rights have been rushed through and ill thought out. They will be very damaging to growth, significantly depressing employers’ propensity to hire additional staff. (And doing this whilst also banging on for 100 days about a pro-business growth agenda, is fucking bizarre.)

Many people (most people?) are deeply concerned about two tier policing and the very obvious leaning on the judiciary to put people in prison in a matter of hours for anything remotely connected with the disturbances, whilst protesters in other matters were ignored, or even praised. Locking up people for tweets, whilst letting rapists and other violent criminals out early to accommodate them? So no credit there either.

Building relations with Europe as a precursor to softening Brexit even further, in direct conflict with what the country voted for in the referendum.

Only a Labour zealot such as yourself would list the above as unconditionally positive.

What I will say is he said the right things at the conference yesterday, but let’s see if they were just his usual hollow words - he’s very good at that - or they will be backed up by positive actions.

hahahahahaha

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Building relations with Europe as a precursor to softening Brexit even further, in direct conflict with what the country voted for in the referendum.

This is wrong and sums up why Brexit was delivered so badly.

52% of people voting for something and 48% opposing it does not mean throw the baby out with the bath water and the numbers suggest a soft Brexit was not in direct conflict with how the country voted in the referendum.

For years, the wishes those who voted to leave were respected and reflected in our relationship with the EU. We kept the pound and had loads of opt outs. Why should it be, when we narrowly vote to leave, that this means cutting ourselves off to the extent we have?

How is that democratic?

Why haven’t the wishes of the 48% been reflected in the way we left, in terms of a softer Brexit?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

This is wrong and sums up why Brexit was delivered so badly.

52% of people voting for something and 48% opposing it does not mean throw the baby out with the bath water and the numbers suggest a hard Brexit is not in direct conflict with how the country voted in the referendum.

For years, the wishes those who voted to leave were respected and reflected in our relationship with the EU. We kept the pound and had loads of opt outs. Why should it be, when we narrowly vote to leave, that this means cutting ourselves off to the extent we have?

How is that democratic?

Why haven’t the wishes of the 48% been reflected in the way we left, in terms of a softer Brexit?

Because the will of the people was just bullshit to force through extremist libertarian economics. Brexiteers didn't actually vote for freeports and Singapore on Thames.

And after eight years, a significant number of brexiteers will have died. It's only extremists that hang on to this once in a generation bollocks.

Beforethe results were announced Farage admitted that a 52-48 outcome in favour of remain wouldn't be decisive for him.

 

[Postman Pep]

Starmer himself sabotaged any prospect of a soft brexit to force Labour down the peoples vote route .... look how that ended. The irony being as soon as he was leader he whipped his MP's to vote for the deal and changed his stance to "make Brexit work".