Keir Starmer

[hilts]

particularly when the media hone in on the slightest err rather than evaluate and promote the positives

Do shaking pensioners fit under carpets? I:-)

 

[BlueHammer85]

Perhaps because most of the population do not see all of the above as positives, like you do?

Because the right wing media and people like yourself will constantly bang the drum for negativity and hatred against Labour, you will never change your position no matter what they do. everyone on here knows it.

Ending strikes by just paying people off, is not deserving of any credit. You or I could have done that if in charge. “Here Pete - lob them some money - sorted”. That’s brilliance, sheer brilliance. (Putting aside the fact that he has been banging on for 100 days about not having any money!”

That's not what they did though is it, they actually sat round with unions and leaders and discussed fair and sensible pay and conditions, something which the Tories could not achieve in 14 years. If we continued to ignore the pay demands then we would continue having strikes which was costing our economy billions. would you have preferred that?

The changes to workers’ rights have been rushed through and ill thought out. They will be very damaging to growth, significantly depressing employers’ propensity to hire additional staff. (And doing this whilst also banging on for 100 days about a pro-business growth agenda, is fucking bizarre.)

Rushed through? they're getting criticized for the delay in getting this through.

SSP from 1st day instead of 4 days , removing SSP for lowest paid, paternity leave for fathers, unpaid parental leave, flexible working requests are all sensible and good changes (oh yeh, i thought Labour had no plans as Rishi liked to remind us at every opportunity)

of course, and little surprise that you would find all those changes a negative though.

Many people (most people?) are deeply concerned about two tier policing and the very obvious leaning on the judiciary to put people in prison in a matter of hours for anything remotely connected with the disturbances, whilst protesters in other matters were ignored, or even praised. So no credit there either.

two tier policing is a complete load of bollox made up from likes of Farage and GB News, only you would be upset about low life wankers giving away locations of hotels and mosques to burn down getting punished.

Building relations with Europe as a precursor to softening Brexit even further, in direct conflict with what the country voted for in the referendum.

No, rejoining the EU would be in direct conflict. which we was told Labour would do - yet instead they're just building closer ties to mainly deal with international threat and migrant issue and work some trade arrangements. Brexit has been a disaster for the UK and the economy - everyone knows that. it's a joke you would even scoff at Labour for trying to ensemble relations.

 

[mosssideblue]

Because the right wing media and people like yourself will constantly bang the drum for negativity and hatred against Labour, you will never change your position no matter what they do. everyone on here knows it.



That's not what they did though is it, they actually sat round with unions and leaders and discussed fair and sensible pay and conditions, something which the Tories could not achieve in 14 years. If we continued to ignore the pay demands then we would continue having strikes which was costing our economy billions. would you have preferred that?



Rushed through? they're getting criticized for the delay in getting this through.

SSP from 1st day instead of 4 days , removing SSP for lowest paid, paternity leave for fathers, unpaid parental leave, flexible working requests are all sensible and good changes (oh yeh, i thought Labour had no plans as Rishi liked to remind us at every opportunity)

of course, and little surprise that you would find all those changes a negative though.



two tier policing is a complete load of bollox made up from likes of Farage and GB News, only you would be upset about low life wankers giving away locations of hotels and mosques to burn down getting punished.



No, rejoining the EU would be in direct conflict. which we was told Labour would do - yet instead they're just building closer ties to mainly deal with international threat and migrant issue and work some trade arrangements. Brexit has been a disaster for the UK and the economy - everyone knows that. it's a joke you would even scoff at Labour for trying to ensemble relations.

Ignore him mate. He has openly admitted on here that he is on the wind up

 

[BlueHammer85]

Ignore him mate. He has openly admitted on here that he is on the wind up

true, its obvious and boring. similar to Bigga on the US political threads.

 

[Lowtower]

That Mirror poll is pretty damning like.

 

[bluenova]

That Mirror poll is pretty damning like.

It's hardly a surprise. The biggest surprise it that they can find 6% of people who are impressed.

 

[stonerblue]

Perhaps because most of the population do not see all of the above as positives, like you do?

Ending strikes by just paying people off, is not deserving of any credit. You or I could have done that if in charge. “Here Pete - lob them some money - sorted”. That’s brilliance, sheer brilliance. (Putting aside the fact that he has been banging on for 100 days about not having any money!”

The changes to workers’ rights have been rushed through and ill thought out. They will be very damaging to growth, significantly depressing employers’ propensity to hire additional staff. (And doing this whilst also banging on for 100 days about a pro-business growth agenda, is fucking bizarre.)

Many people (most people?) are deeply concerned about two tier policing and the very obvious leaning on the judiciary to put people in prison in a matter of hours for anything remotely connected with the disturbances, whilst protesters in other matters were ignored, or even praised. Locking up people for tweets, whilst letting rapists and other violent criminals out early to accommodate them? So no credit there either.

Building relations with Europe as a precursor to softening Brexit even further, in direct conflict with what the country voted for in the referendum.

Only a Labour zealot such as yourself would list the above as unconditionally positive.

What I will say is he said the right things at the conference yesterday, but let’s see if they were just his usual hollow words - he’s very good at that - or they will be backed up by positive actions.

hahahahahaha

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Building relations with Europe as a precursor to softening Brexit even further, in direct conflict with what the country voted for in the referendum.

This is wrong and sums up why Brexit was delivered so badly.

52% of people voting for something and 48% opposing it does not mean throw the baby out with the bath water and the numbers suggest a soft Brexit was not in direct conflict with how the country voted in the referendum.

For years, the wishes those who voted to leave were respected and reflected in our relationship with the EU. We kept the pound and had loads of opt outs. Why should it be, when we narrowly vote to leave, that this means cutting ourselves off to the extent we have?

How is that democratic?

Why haven’t the wishes of the 48% been reflected in the way we left, in terms of a softer Brexit?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

This is wrong and sums up why Brexit was delivered so badly.

52% of people voting for something and 48% opposing it does not mean throw the baby out with the bath water and the numbers suggest a hard Brexit is not in direct conflict with how the country voted in the referendum.

For years, the wishes those who voted to leave were respected and reflected in our relationship with the EU. We kept the pound and had loads of opt outs. Why should it be, when we narrowly vote to leave, that this means cutting ourselves off to the extent we have?

How is that democratic?

Why haven’t the wishes of the 48% been reflected in the way we left, in terms of a softer Brexit?

Because the will of the people was just bullshit to force through extremist libertarian economics. Brexiteers didn't actually vote for freeports and Singapore on Thames.

And after eight years, a significant number of brexiteers will have died. It's only extremists that hang on to this once in a generation bollocks.

Beforethe results were announced Farage admitted that a 52-48 outcome in favour of remain wouldn't be decisive for him.

 

[Postman Pep]

Starmer himself sabotaged any prospect of a soft brexit to force Labour down the peoples vote route .... look how that ended. The irony being as soon as he was leader he whipped his MP's to vote for the deal and changed his stance to "make Brexit work".