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Brewster's millions said:
The Financial Times submitted a freedom of information request relating to the claimed £22bn black hole, asking for a full breakdown, and the Treasury promptly refused.

Strange that the government should be so reticent to provide these details, given the number of times they’ve referenced the £22bn figure and the amount of political capital they are trying to generate from it.
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Its not a Treasury document its produced and belongs to the OBR who will release it themselves tomorrow.
 
mosssideblue said:
OBR are publicly releasing the info tomorrow - keep up
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That’s not the case I’m afraid.

The OBR report has been widely reported as a breakdown of the £22bn figure, but that isn’t entirely accurate, for a couple of reasons.

One reason is that the £22bn figure obviously includes the cost of actions taken by the new government. The other reason is that the £22bn claim also includes a figure of £8.6bn which is being earmarked for normal reserve / contingency claims which haven’t been itemised (an actual black hole within a claimed black hole).

The OBR are actually reporting on the exchange of information between themselves and the Treasury in relation to the departmental spending limits drawn up in the March Budget, but it won’t provide a full breakdown of the claimed £22bn figure or provide any corroboration of the figure as such.

Hope this helps.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Its not a Treasury document its produced and belongs to the OBR who will release it themselves tomorrow.
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Wrong again I’m afraid.

The £22bn figure was produced by the Treasury and contained in a Treasury document. Hence why the FT submitted the freedom of information request to the Treasury.
 
Brewster's millions said:
That’s not the case I’m afraid.

The OBR report has been widely reported as a breakdown of the £22bn figure, but that isn’t entirely accurate, for a couple of reasons.

One reason is that the £22bn figure obviously includes the cost of actions taken by the new government. The other reason is that the £22bn claim also includes a figure of £8.6bn which is being earmarked for normal reserve / contingency claims which haven’t been itemised (an actual black hole within a claimed black hole).

The OBR are actually reporting on the exchange of information between themselves and the Treasury in relation to the departmental spending limits drawn up in the March Budget, but it won’t provide a full breakdown of the claimed £22bn figure or provide any corroboration of the figure as such.

Hope this helps.
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So why is Hunt the **** shitting himself?
 
I have watched excerpts from this on twitter - piss funny as for once he faces and interviewer that asks "why" and "explain please" and his brain just shuts down as he is not used to back chat

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This especially straight-talking Aussie interview is our favourite Boris Johnson takedown for as long as we can remember

Boris Johnson’s book tour appears to have taken him all the other side of the world for his only Australian TV interview, Channel 9’s 60 Minutes. Alas for everyone else, the interview was recorded in South Kensington, not the other side of the world, but that’s not why we’re here. We’re here...
www.thepoke.com www.thepoke.com
 
Fair play to Hollinrake - he will smash his forehead against an alabaster wall and as the blood pours down he will deny its happening

 
bluethrunthru said:
Fair play to Hollinrake - he will smash his forehead against an alabaster wall and as the blood pours down he will deny its happening

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That's after he was trying to justify the appalling comments of Jenrick (and Badenoch) about the investigations into the Southport killings.
 
mosssideblue said:
Labour have no worries with these two being the best the Tories can offer
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Sunak just gave us a taste of what you expect from the new leadership.

Every single labour decision will be "political" and they'll go full Steve Bannon culture wars. Even more so if the US relect the orange fascist.
 
TinFoilHat said:
Sunak just gave us a taste of what you expect from the new leadership.

Every single labour decision will be "political" and they'll go full Steve Bannon culture wars. Even more so if the US relect the orange fascist.
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It’ll all boil down to whether people start to feel a bit better off or not. If they do, they’ll largely ignore the culture war bullshit.
 
TinFoilHat said:
Sunak just gave us a taste of what you expect from the new leadership.

Every single labour decision will be "political" and they'll go full Steve Bannon culture wars. Even more so if the US relect the orange fascist.
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imagine that - politicians talking politics and making political decisions in a building set aside for politics - what absolute two faced bastards Labour are
 
Tories like to pretend they are not 'political'.

It really amuses me, this conceit that only the left is 'political'. But it's very common among conservatives and the politically naive. I've even seen it suggested that there should be no politics in local government—that councillors should be non-political!

It's just as 'political' to cut tax as it is to increase it. Any decision a government organisation makes is political is some way or other.
 
BrianW said:
Tories like to pretend they are not 'political'.

It really amuses me, this conceit that only the left is 'political'. But it's very common among conservatives and the politically naive. I've even seen it suggested that there should be no politics in local government—that councillors should be non-political!

It's just as 'political' to cut tax as it is to increase it. Any decision a government organisation makes is political is some way or other.
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The Conservatives are probably the most political of everyone outside those weird communist sects.

Extreme libertarianism and market fundamentalism are moronic, myopic ideas but they are nothing if not political.

Most people just want life not to get progressively worse, enjoy simple pleasures in life and not have owning a basic home or raising a family turned into an aspirational idea that you can't achieve until your late 30s if you are lucky. And it's the spread of those repugnant ideas above that have created such a shitty state of play.
 
bluethrunthru said:
This or Jenreich - what a dismal choice they have

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I have integrity says the woman throwing dirt who isn't prepared to stand by her words when challenged.

Jenrick is obviously a malign ****. A nasty, sadistic, poisonous and morally corrupt bastard. And probably criminally corrupt.

The only good thing you can say About Badenoch is that the vile culture war stoking arsehole appears compassionate when compared to him.
 
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