Kamala Harris

lloydie said:
Fundamental difference is that J6 was avowedly an attempt to "Stop the steal", i.e they were trying to halt the legal process of the transfer of power. They tried because they felt it was resulting from an alledgedly corrupt election of a political opponent, where (and despite) every legal avenue having been persued.
They failed because no evidence, convincing or otherwise, was produced, and nor has it been produced since.
It was blatently an attempt, outside constitutional remedies, to acheive an outcome that could not be shown as justified by the election result or the conduct of the election itself.

You may recall (or choose not to) that there were protests following Trumps election in 2016 that didn't attempt to stop the transfer of power.

The BLM riots et al, whilst awful to watch, made no real attempt to usurp the Government or the Constitution of the USA.
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Very good points. What would you say constitutes usurping the government?
 
Dax777 said:
Very good points. What would you say constitutes usurping the government?
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usurp
/juːˈzəːp,jʊˈzəːp/
verb
take (a position of power or importance) illegally or by force.
"Richard usurped the throne"
Similar:
seize
take over
expropriate
take possession of
take
appropriate
steal
wrest
arrogate
commandeer
annex
assume

take the place of (someone in a position of power) illegally; supplant.
"the Hanoverian dynasty had usurped the Stuarts"
Similar:
oust
overthrow
remove
topple
unseat
depose
dethrone
eject
dispel
succeed
supplant
replace
fill someone's boots
crowd out
defenestrate
deprive
archaic
encroach or infringe upon (someone's rights).
"the Church had usurped upon the domain of the state"
 
Frank the Yank said:
Hard to say I am a trump supporter . I am more anti left.

My two big issues on this election are economic (mainly inflation especially since I have had a raise in four years) and immigration… illegal immigration and illegal immigrants in this country.

A few years ago the left mantra was “separated families”. Well my family has been separated for years since my adopted daughters have been waiting over 6 years to come here…
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I am married to an American citizen and we have filed an application for residency so I can join her in the US. Our immigration lawyer told us that waiting times for processing were twice as long as normal when Trump was president and so we should expect to be delayed if Trump is elected.
 
lloydie said:
usurp
/juːˈzəːp,jʊˈzəːp/
verb
take (a position of power or importance) illegally or by force.
"Richard usurped the throne"
Similar:
seize
take over
expropriate
take possession of
take
appropriate
steal
wrest
arrogate
commandeer
annex
assume

take the place of (someone in a position of power) illegally; supplant.
"the Hanoverian dynasty had usurped the Stuarts"
Similar:
oust
overthrow
remove
topple
unseat
depose
dethrone
eject
dispel
succeed
supplant
replace
fill someone's boots
crowd out
defenestrate
deprive
archaic
encroach or infringe upon (someone's rights).
"the Church had usurped upon the domain of the state"
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In this context, “step into the shoes of” is good.
 
Dax777 said:
Very good points. What would you say constitutes usurping the government?
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My definition of insurrection included ‘preventing the legitimate gov from taking office. That is a common scenario after an election in not very well established democracies.
Come on, Dax, get off the pot. Was J6 an insurrection?
 
Frank the Yank said:
Secret ballot.

I really don’t think a Trump second term would either help or hurt my family. If Harris gets in and passes a tax on unrealized gains, then yes that can hurt me financially. That would definitely hurt some members of my family who have more money than I do. Having said that they are hard core Democrats.

I don’t live my life relying on other people. I don’t enjoy having other people wielding power/ control over my destiny.

Having said that real wages in Trumps four years rose 8.2%. Under this administration they have risen 1%-US govt stats. Factor in that inflation has been raging the past four years compared to the previous four.

Add to this I haven’t received a raise in four years. The evil corporation that I work for a big Harris/Walz supporters. I know this to be true not only seeing the actions of my company but I know people VERY high up and this is definitely true.
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You seem to have excluded from the equation the fact that he’s certifiably fucking insane.

Do you not think that might possibly have the capacity to hurt your family in some way?
 
hillbillyliar said:
I am married to an American citizen and we have filed an application for residency so I can join her in the US. Our immigration lawyer told us that waiting times for processing were twice as long as normal when Trump was president and so we should expect to be delayed if Trump is elected.
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Have you thought about coming here on a tourist visa then changing your status? That’s what my wife did.

It also took longer due to COVID. During that time ever stopped. The lawyer handling to daughters cases told us the same thing.
 
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
You seem to have excluded from the equation the fact that he’s certifiably fucking insane.

Do you not think that might possibly have the capacity to hurt your family in some way?
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The short answer is no. It’s hyperbole and hysteria like that dopey Congresswomen Debbie Dingell who told Jake Tapper he would have to visit her in a concentration camp.

If Trump wins, then I would expect hordes to escape and leave the USA. It’s not going to happen.
 
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KS55 said:
My definition of insurrection included ‘preventing the legitimate gov from taking office. That is a common scenario after an election in not very well established democracies.
Come on, Dax, get off the pot. Was J6 an insurrection?
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I agree you've made very good points and satisfy the requirements.
 
Frank the Yank said:
The short answer is no. It’s hyperbole and hysteria like that dopey Congresswomen Dingle who told Jake Tapper he would have to visit her in a concentration camp.

If Trump wins, then I would expect hordes to escape and leave the USA. It’s not going to happen.
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I know a number of people from the UK who Live and work in the US and have for decades that have there route out planned.
 
Frank the Yank said:
The short answer is no. It’s hyperbole and hysteria like that dopey Congresswomen Debbie Dingell who told Jake Tapper he would have to visit her in a concentration camp.

If Trump wins, then I would expect hordes to escape and leave the USA. It’s not going to happen.
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Which will be a massive brain and wealth (tax revenue) drain.
 
Frank the Yank said:
The short answer is no. It’s hyperbole and hysteria like that dopey Congresswomen Debbie Dingell who told Jake Tapper he would have to visit her in a concentration camp.

If Trump wins, then I would expect hordes to escape and leave the USA. It’s not going to happen.
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I’m slightly confused by your esoteric response, but are actually you trying to suggest that you honestly don’t think Trump is insane, or that the fact he is insane won’t be detrimental to you and your family if he’s elected?
 
Since you enjoyed my pithily esoteric response I hope I can keep it up. I don’t think he is insane. A PT Barnum, yes.

Do I think my family or I will be hurt should he win?? No. I don’t think my life will change nor any freedoms I enjoy today will be taken.

What’s insane is you have a sitting House member saying she will be sent to a camp and hopes a journalist can come “ visit” her during her internment. When we’re visiting days at Treblinka??
 
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