US Presidential Election, Nov 5th 2024

[nasrislookalike]

It’s so frustrating to read posts like this. Gee, chief, it’s been nine years since Trump walked down the escalator. You think folks haven’t tried to talk and reason and understand the other side in all that time? What the fuck is there left to discuss? Trumpism is a cult. Ever try to talk about atheism with a Jehovah’s Witness? Families and friendships have been irrevocably destroyed here. Maybe a little understanding on your part as opposed to criticism, eh?

Of course I understand that there have been attempts from both sides to find reason but I'm not entirely sure what hurling insults at someone with the opposing opinion really achieves. I've seen examples from both sides where there attempts to defend there beliefs come across as cultlike.

 

[johnny crossan]

It doesn't really matter what people say or do on a football forum, in all honesty, but it does matter what the democrats make out of the reasons a near majority of voters keep voting for Trump. Hopefully they have some better approach than I'm not listening because they are all idiots.

Personally, I'm not so sure there is much Harris, for example, could do in four years.

Is there another example who could do better perhaps? For me the Democrats' failure to find and promote an early replacement for Biden is absolutely pivotal. The whole world could pay a heavy price for that colossal mistake if their late sub doesn't win today.

 

[inbetween]

I still think Harris will win comfortably. The betting follows the money and the money follows the polls. The polls are based upon miniscule samples of people and are almost always wrong. They're more likely to be correct months before the election before bias and Harris led at that point, tons of people haven't just suddenly switched to Trump.

It could go either way but I just can't see Trump winning the really close swing states such as Pennsylvania. It really depends which poll you believe but some have her winning by 3-4%, others it's 50/50 but Trump never seems to lead.

I think even places like Georgia and Nevada will go closer than the polling currently suggests. Either way none of it is posting towards a Trump win. He has a 50/50 chance at best but any other result seems to lean towards Harris.

 

[nasrislookalike]

Is it? Throughout its history, it’s been rare for the country to be politically united, save for when faced with an external threat, so this year is little different from elections in the last two centuries, though the party faithful and media ballyhoo might have you believe otherwise.

I can only talk about the recent history I have lived through and appreciate that the UK and US are almost never politically united however tensions continue to rise as a result of both sides digging their heels in further.

 

[youngbob]

Yes. Significantly, but not overwhelmingly. It will get considerably worse over the next four years, of that I’m sure.

Yeah, I was being charitable, to be honest. My granddad was diagnosed with vascular dementia in 2015 but he'd been showing symptoms for about two years before that point. He was 78 upon diagnosis, the same age Trump is now. And Trump reminds me of where my granddad was in roughly 2013. Still the same guy 99% of the time but really losing confidence and volume in his voice, and taking that bit longer to process information.

The other thing is the eyes. I saw it in Biden around the time he was elected and now I see it in Trump - dementia patients just get a look in their eyes and once you've seen it in a close relative you can't help but spot it everywhere else. It's hard to put your finger on it but it just slowly appears, even before their minds start going. They start looking through things instead of at them. And it's just come into Trump's public behaviour - largely since the shooting.

 

[supercity88]

I think there are wider issues about the divisions in society (both here and in the US) that are being fuelled by social media, the decline of western hegemony and a significant uptick in mental health issues.

And yes, we need to try and understand each other better and try and find more common ground. As a centrist, that has always been my base political instinct - but there have to be limits to that approach and that is how I feel about Trump, who is utterly malign and poisonous.

Social media is having a major impact. It's lowered the bar on truth. Completely unverified nonsense is being presented as if it is fact, all carefully programmed to the individual based on what they click on. My wife's step Dad is very right wing and spouts so much nonsense. His facebook pages are full of it. Mine would present a completely different world, if I ever used it. Because we move at a fast pace and fake news can soon spiral out of control, politicians are also keen to present misleading information that gets them positivity, knowing most people will not bother sense-checking what they're told. I use the new hospitals example as case in point. But there are so many "facts" we're given which are selectively using data and ignoring the truth. It's like saying City are absolutely shite and in crisis and that Pep is overseeing one of our worst periods in recent history. He's lost two games, there's the evidence. Why present the bigger and more accurate picture if it doesn't suit your argument?

And in this world, it's easy for career cunts like Trump to get into power. Anything negative is a lie. Claim positives where they don't exist. And if you don't like the results then incite violence and point the finger elsewhere. Pretty easy when you have a population that's so manipulated by social media and doesn't give a shit about facts. We've seen it in this country too with the response to the Southport attack.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Of course I understand that there have been attempts from both sides to find reason but I'm not entirely sure what hurling insults at someone with the opposing opinion really achieves. I've seen examples from both sides where there attempts to defend there beliefs come across as cultlike.

No, you don’t understand, or you wouldn’t have posted what you did. I mean, one side invaded the Capitol because they didn’t like the results of 2020. Explain please how you reason with a mob holding up a noose to lynch the Vice President. What’s the rational counter-argument? Even NICK FUENTES called Trumpism a cult. Nick Fuentes!!

You’re out of your depth here.

 

[moomba]

Hope Trump wipes the floor with them, i say them as its clear that shithouse Obama is still running the show, everybody is entitled to their opinion and I really want Trump to win , I refuse to be influenced by the media and do my own research and have visited the States regularly and have done under Reagan, Bush, Clinton, GW Bush, Obama, Trump & Biden and having spoken to a lot of Americans they say things have never been as bad as it currently is and all the negativity and hatred being currently spoken is coming from the Democrats

Every accusation is a confession.

 

[nasrislookalike]

No, you don’t understand, or you wouldn’t have posted what you did. I mean, one side invaded the Capitol because they didn’t like the results of 2020. Explain please how you reason with a mob holding up a noose to lynch the Vice President. What’s the rational counter-argument? Even NICK FUENTES called Trumpism a cult. Nick Fuentes!!

You’re out of your depth here.

At no point have I mentioned reasoning with a mob, this is currently being discussed on a football forum and yet people are still hurling insults and unable to have any sort of civil conversation. I highly doubt that anyone in this thread marched on the capitol but if I am wrong and you are reading this then please make yourself known as that will send this thread down a rather interesting path.

 

[jim tolmies perm]

David Feldman said
"What woman would ever cheat on Cheung" and "Male underwear model""
PMROFL!!
Then there's this - now this is what I call a riposte

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I refuse to be influenced by the media and do my own research

Love people who write this sort of shit. Instantly allows anything else by written to be safely dismissed.

Just needs an "MSM" to be perfect.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Yeah, I was being charitable, to be honest. My granddad was diagnosed with vascular dementia in 2015 but he'd been showing symptoms for about two years before that point. He was 78 upon diagnosis, the same age Trump is now. And Trump reminds me of where my granddad was in roughly 2013. Still the same guy 99% of the time but really losing confidence and volume in his voice, and taking that bit longer to process information.

The other thing is the eyes. I saw it in Biden around the time he was elected and now I see it in Trump - dementia patients just get a look in their eyes and once you've seen it in a close relative you can't help but spot it everywhere else. It's hard to put your finger on it but it just slowly appears, even before their minds start going. They start looking through things instead of at them. And it's just come into Trump's public behaviour - largely since the shooting.

It’s a terrible thing for anyone to endure.

 

[KS55]

Speaking as someone who has always been good at viewing the qualities of those I disagree with politically (Thatcher, Benn, Reagan and even Farage) the issue with Trump is that he has no identifiable redeeming characteristics whatsoever, which informs my incredulity as to how anyone could view him positively.

For me, it’s not about his politics, but rather his manifest unsuitability to hold public office in numerous ways.

I am genuinely baffled, give all he says and does, how any reasoned, rational person cannot see this.

There are spice heads in Piccadilly Gardens who are more suited to running a country than Donald Trump.

On that basis it is impossibly difficult for me to understand their state of mind or reasoning, as much as I genuinely try to.

It’s akin to having a conversation with someone who says they don’t rate KDB. It simply doesn’t compute and, frankly, isn’t worth the time and emotional energy.

It’s his demagoguery. He used to speak well in those terms and he is followed as a cult leader. His followers are not engaging in logical analysis. His lies are believed implicitly.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Is there another example who could do better perhaps?

Well no, I don't think there is. And therein lies the problem.

 

[KS55]

Dixville Notch, New Hampshire has declared its result - 6 voters, 3 each for Kamala & the Orange moron.

I bet that’s 3 men for Trump and three women for Harris.

 

[johnny crossan]

Well no, I don't think there is. And therein lies the problem.

Certainly none that's been groomed for President. I'm starting to think it's so close the Supreme Court will decide the outcome today - and we know who that'll be if they get to choose....

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

At no point have I mentioned reasoning with a mob, this is currently being discussed on a football forum and yet people are still hurling insults and unable to have any sort of civil conversation. I highly doubt that anyone in this thread marched on the capitol but if I am wrong and you are reading this then please make yourself known as that will send this thread down a rather interesting path.

I don’t know how you expect anyone to reason with cult members. The worst of them are on ignore for me. And I’m probably the most conservative anti-Trumper here.

 

[Ducado]

My sister who has lived in the states for years now and is now an American citizen is not happy with the choices they have a bit like here, but it fills me with dread the prospect of another Trump term, like it or not the USA is the leader of the free world (yes I know but I didn't invent the term) and what happens there has a direct effect on us here

A nativist America is a disaster for the rest of the world, you can't be a super power and isolate yourself it happened before and it always ends in disasters

 

[meltonblue]

I agree with what your saying about people despising Trump and I by no means think he is a good person, but surely when half of America have wanted him in for the last two elections the answer isn't to just ignore these people or personally attack them. I appreciate what I'm saying is easier said then done but if everyone was a little more open to hearing the opinion of the other side there would be far less tension not only in America but over here as well.

There is a balancing act as to how much you allow opinions that aren’t based on any actual factual evidence to grow and be amplified though, particularly nowadays in a post truth world.

How to deal with that, I don’t think anyone’s worked out yet. The internet and social media spawned far sooner than society was mature enough to use it. It was fine in the early days as the immaturity meant it was just loads of porn!

 

[Ducado]

Speaking as someone who has always been good at viewing the qualities of those I disagree with politically (Thatcher, Benn, Reagan and even Farage) the issue with Trump is that he has no identifiable redeeming characteristics whatsoever, which informs my incredulity as to how anyone could view him positively.

For me, it’s not about his politics, but rather his manifest unsuitability to hold public office in numerous ways.

I am genuinely baffled, give all he says and does, how any reasoned, rational person cannot see this.

There are spice heads in Piccadilly Gardens who are more suited to running a country than Donald Trump.

On that basis it is impossibly difficult for me to understand their state of mind or reasoning, as much as I genuinely try to.

It’s akin to having a conversation with someone who says they don’t rate KDB. It simply doesn’t compute and, frankly, isn’t worth the time and emotional energy.

I was equally mystified when Boris (or whatever his name really was) got to be Prime Minister and how many working class people fawned over him