Pep's contract situation | 2 year extension confirmed! (pg1817)

GaudinoMotors said:
Hmmm - I think they have to be - if only for the optics.

Get the book thrown at us - and he leaves and his statements about staying more than ever and getting Dikov back look hollow.
Stay and he's got a hell of a task on, when he could still walk into a top job anywhere.
Get exonerated and he may leave as there are no leaving us in the lurch pressures to stay. Alternatively he could stay to have a clear run at things and to celebrate.

Anyone's guess.
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I get what you are saying, but I tend not to base my opinion on optics.

I would find it easier to believe that Pep has already decided he wants to leave and has had enough, and the club know it. But that we can't meaningfully get anyone to follow till the charges are resolved. And that he is leaving it open for a one year extension to cover any delays in that to be here for the club till that is concluded. Than any of the above, for example. IF we were trying to link the two.

Not that that is what I think either, for the record.

I think he wants to and will stay, regardless of the outcome, and it is just a case of doing it at the right time and when he and the club are comfortable that it is sustainable and secure.

I take both him and Khaldoon at their word quite literally on that one.
 
Bournemouth Blue said:
I can understand that Pep is undecided, at least publicly, but part of me thinks he sees another challenge to get replacements for Kyle, Kev etc. and see the kids get established. In some ways he can’t quit if we don’t win a trophy this season, without losing face. He hasn’t changed or lost it, but we have a lot of unfit and injured defensive players and no cover for Haaland. Small squad costing us.
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Yes. Enjoying the work and bringing things he has already started into some sort of a fruition is always a very important factor. As well as the circumstances under which a manager (especially of his stature) leaves the club. And it is in respect to those things that the nature of his relations with the club/backroom/owners come into play. Things such as:

Has he been very happy with how the club has supported him in the transfer market or are there major issues in that regard?
Does he feel confident that the club's transfer support will allow him to secure a generational transition?
How do his people at the club backroom feel about that?
Etc.

Questions I don't know about.
 
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Coatigan said:
it is just a case of doing it at the right time and when he and the club are comfortable that it is sustainable and secure.
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say a bit more about that mate. Why would it not be sustainable and secure now? I can understand why he would delay a 'I'm leaving' announcement but a renewal confirmation can only give stability and confidence surely?
 
I think he will leave. He has done enough imo. He might need a refresh after all these years.
 
Coatigan said:
I get what you are saying, but I tend not to base my opinion on optics.

I would find it easier to believe that Pep has already decided he wants to leave and has had enough, and the club know it. But that we can't meaningfully get anyone to follow till the charges are resolved. And that he is leaving it open for a one year extension to cover any delays in that to be here for the club till that is concluded. Than any of the above, for example. IF we were trying to link the two.

Not that that is what I think either, for the record.

I think he wants to and will stay, regardless of the outcome, and it is just a case of doing it at the right time and when he and the club are comfortable that it is sustainable and secure.

I take both him and Khaldoon at their word quite literally on that one.
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Which in a way would put some relevance on the outcome I suppose.
 
In my opinion I think that at this time it is particularly important for Man City supporters to show a great deal of personal support for Pep if they actually want him to stay. Because there are things happening in the background nobody knows about. And those things are not easy for Pep.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
say a bit more about that mate. Why would it not be sustainable and secure now? I can understand why he would delay a 'I'm leaving' announcement but a renewal confirmation can only give stability and confidence surely.
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A case of leaving it as late as possible to feel comfortable there is no burnout or his ways and intensity having run their course. And the players are still into it and motivated by it.

Ten Hag and Arteta both signed extesions not that long ago, prior to the season starting. Both have struggled to get their pre-summer highs back. Klopp signed his for a while, then around this time decided he (or maybe his team) have had enough. Guess Pep and the club don't want that, he wants to honour his contracts as do the club, and after 9 years of pure intensity, they both want to see how things are going rather than commiting at the end of a summer high. In as far as reasonable practical to predict.

Pretty much exactly what both have been saying to us.


GaudinoMotors said:
Which in a way would put some relevance on the outcome I suppose.
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What would, the 115? As above I meant without it, which would be the case whenever he was renewing, with or without the 115. As it was the last two times he renewed.
 
ShakesSpeare said:
In my opinion I think that at this time it is particularly important for Man City supporters to show a great deal of personal support for Pep if they actually want him to stay. Because there are things happening in the background nobody knows about. And those things are not easy for Pep.
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What’s things?
 
ShakesSpeare said:
In my opinion I think that at this time it is particularly important for Man City supporters to show a great deal of personal support for Pep if they actually want him to stay. Because there are things happening in the background nobody knows about. And those things are not easy for Pep.
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The Sheikh's selling up.
 
ShakesSpeare said:
In my opinion I think that at this time it is particularly important for Man City supporters to show a great deal of personal support for Pep if they actually want him to stay. Because there are things happening in the background nobody knows about. And those things are not easy for Pep.
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You know fuck all.
 
Coatigan said:
A case of leaving it as late as possible to feel comfortable there is no burnout or his ways and intensity having run their course. And the players are still into it and motivated by it.

Ten Hag and Arteta both signed extesions not that long ago, prior to the season starting. Both have struggled to get their pre-summer highs back. Klopp signed his for a while, then around this time decided he (or maybe his team) have had enough. Guess Pep and the club don't want that, he wants to honour his contracts as do the club, and after 9 years of pure intensity, they both want to see how things are going rather than commiting at the end of a summer high. In as far as reasonable practical to predict.

Pretty much exactly what both have been saying to us.




What would, the 115? As above I meant without it, which would be the case whenever he was renewing, with or without the 115. As it was the last two times he renewed.
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I still think if we don’t hear this break then he has hasn’t decided
 
Coatigan said:
A case of leaving it as late as possible to feel comfortable there is no burnout or his ways and intensity having run their course. And the players are still into it and motivated by it.
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Plenty evidence of burnout but to be fair I think that is the consequence of the last few seasons and the numbers of games. The spine of the team have spent a lot of years with the man and I would hope that they are beyond the 'he's too intense' barrier. I actually think he is not going to renew. Sure hope I'm wrong.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Plenty evidence of burnout but to be fair I think that is the consequence of the last few seasons and the numbers of games. The spine of the team have spent a lot of years with the man and I would hope that they are beyond the 'he's too intense' barrier. I actually think he is not going to renew. Sure hope I'm wrong.
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Sure hope you are wrong too.

I disagree for what it is worth.

We have been on a shoogly peg since the Rodri injury really, but the way we have found the resilience to win or draw games when it mattered looked like the hunger and desire is very much there.

Even Bournemouth, I think was more of an unlucky loss than a 'problem'. It happens. Sporting though, and Brighton second half, they were more worrying, and showed the fatigue and injuries catching up.

But that can all change, and it can happen to other teams too at some point. Doesn't mean there is burnout or the manager and team are no longer responding to each other.

On that basis, I think he will stay.
 
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Saddleworth2 said:
Plenty evidence of burnout but to be fair I think that is the consequence of the last few seasons and the numbers of games. The spine of the team have spent a lot of years with the man and I would hope that they are beyond the 'he's too intense' barrier. I actually think he is not going to renew. Sure hope I'm wrong.
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It's hard not to combine our form on the pitch with whether Pep renews or not. But I don't think the two are linked. We've got a lot of injuries, we've got a lot of tired players and we need this break. I don't think the team are doing anything wrong or failing to implement what Pep wants. I think there's still a lot of hunger and desire.

He hasn't renewed yet - we'd have heard and the club would probably like to share some positivity with all the talk of a crisis.

But I don't believe he's decided to leave. He's said repeatedly he'll decide with the club and that everyone is relaxed and comfortable and the decision will be in everyone's interests.

I think, as a result of that perspective, he'll stay for another year. Walker, De Bruyne and Gundogan have been key features of success under Pep. All three are possibly at the end of their careers. The CWC ends a few weeks before the new season. That makes it very difficult for a new manager to come in and hit the ground running. It would be beneficial for someone to come in the following summer when there's a bit more time to get their feet under the table - even with a World Cup.
 
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