PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
It’d be dressed up as ‘unintentional’ with the majority punishment relating to non-cooperation, whatever that means. I’d imagine we’d get it down to 20 on appeal. Remember Everton got done 10 points and nobody actually cares!
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We wouldn't be getting a point deduction for non cooperation only a massive fine. After hearing where it has come from I'm not sure it's true and think it's cross wires/guesswork.
 
Somebody had better tell City to stop paying Pannick his £5k an hour immediately at the closing statements this week. It’s seems the case is already completed and the punishment known before the tribunal has been concluded and the IC have even considered their response.

Name the names or don’t bother posting.
 
It all seems very unlikely at this stage with the hearing not even finished but if (a huge if) the club got hit with a 40 point deduction or worse agreed to it as part of a deal then I'd say our owner and board would have no option other than to go. Any credibility as responsible owners and executives would have gone completely and I wouldn't want them owning and running our club under any circumstances.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
It’d be dressed up as ‘unintentional’ with the majority punishment relating to non-cooperation, whatever that means. I’d imagine we’d get it down to 20 on appeal. Remember Everton got done 10 points and nobody actually cares!
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This is city tho? Everyone cares, pretend they don’t but do due to our success…

Everton’s simple case is nothing compared to the “trial of the century”. -:)

Any points deduction will have an impact unfortunately. Can’t charge 40 points for non cooperation. That would be mental. No sporting advantage was gained by not answering the phone to that shower of shit.
 
M18CTID said:
Sorry to put a dampener on things this morning after getting back to winning ways but just thought I’d share this. One of our lot was telling me last night that he heard on Sunday from someone at Anfield that 50-odd charges have fallen away but they’re going to find against us on some of the others, and we’re getting a 40 point deduction. Now if this “someone” was a random bloke, then obviously I wouldn’t even be giving it the time of day, let alone posting it on here. However, we all know or have at least heard of this “someone” - who I won’t name but I’m sure some will be able to work out who it is - and he told my mate that he’d heard this from a contact “high up at the club”.

Anyway, this mate who heard this said he naturally wasn’t in the best of moods as the second half kicked off! However, he has plenty of other contacts in the media and at the club. One of his media contacts is someone who’s been his mate for the past 30-odd years and again is someone we all know as he errr, cough cough, posts on here ;) So he asked him if he’d heard anything about this so-called 40 point deduction. The answer he got back was along the lines of “That’s bollocks as they’ve not even done the summing up yet!”. This is a fair point as while I think both sides might have an inkling of how things are going at this stage, if the summing up hasn’t even started (or is just starting going off the pics that have been posted on here), let alone the panel then sitting down and spending months deliberating, I can’t see how anyone would know at this point in time what our punishment - if there is to be any - would be.

Like I say, sorry for the seemingly negative post but I think it’s only fair that info from sources should be shared regardless of whether it’s positive or negative.
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Our lawyers best pack up and take an early Christmas holiday then if it's game over. This bloke over hear on the City forum has a mate that "heard from someone at Anfield" City are bang to rights.

Ah well, it was a fun ride while it lasted. See you all at Blackburn away next season?
 
petrusha said:
No problem. I thought so but just wanted to be sure.



My speculation has always been that the PL overstretched itself in terms of the breadth of the matters it chose to prosecute. In other words, they've added charges on which the evidence is weak in the hope that they might make some stick, and the sheer number of charges feeds into the media-fed public perception that we must have been cheating on an industrial scale.

I've always wondered whether they might not have been better going after us on a smaller number of matters, focusing only on those. We'll see in the fullness of time whether or not I've been correct in thinking that.
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This assumes the PL brought the charges in good faith to enforce PL rules fairly and equitably. None of this is about that
 
uwe rosler 28 said:
We wouldn't be getting a point deduction for non cooperation only a massive fine. After hearing where it has come from I'm not sure it's true and think it's cross wires/guesswork.
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It's down to the pl to prove guilt not for us to help them. How can they fine City for non cooperation when the whole thing is a corrupte cartel run kangaroo charge sheet. Which the pl couldn't even get the charge sheet correct
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
It all seems very unlikely at this stage with the hearing not even finished but if (a huge if) the club got hit with a 40 point deduction or worse agreed to it as part of a deal then I'd say our owner and board would have no option other than to go. Any credibility as responsible owners and executives would have gone completely and I wouldn't want them owning and running our club under any circumstances.
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based on what exactly. So by ur recogning it is entirely okay for an owner to saddle a club with billions in debt and let a stadium fall into complete disrepair? It is okay for owners to lend clubs money in the form of shareholder loans which could be recalled at any time and put the club into bankruptcy? But it is not okay for owners to invest their own money into a club and be stopped from doing so in a pathetic attempt by the cartel members to close up their shop framed by rules which were framed as fair play but had zero to do with any kind of fairness?
 
I don't blame @M18CTID for posting but I'm inclined to believe either the information he's heard is simply false OR if true then the Premier League are in no mans land.

Reason being, if we're guilty of the most serious charges I think 40 points is too lenient on what the PL would request and what the IC would make. On the other hand, if we are not guilty of the most serious breaches, 40 points would seem ridiculously extreme for some less serious offences.

My guess, and it's only a guess, is that we'll either be completely fucked (much bigger punishment than 40 points deduction), or if not guilty of the most serious allegations we'll end up with a minimal deduction or possibly a fine. Or alternatively of course, we're cleared of everything.

The 40 points thing just doesn't sound logical in any outcome to me. As I say, only a guess.
 
jaiguruKun said:
If someone offered me a 20-point points deduction now and for the case to be over, I would take it.
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It would depend on the circumstances. If say, it was for technical breaches or misdemeanors then yeah, fine, I'd be reasonably content with that outcome. If it's a 20 point deduction for admitting to or being found to have cooked the books deliberately over several years and thus everything we've achieved in that time would be marked with an asterisks then no, I wouldn't be settling for that.

The actual punishment which would affect our future comes secondary to me in terms of importance if the charges are proven. What that would mean in terms of our achievements would sit higher than any points deduction, fine, relegation etc.

Let's hope we don't have to worry about any of that.
 
40 point deduction?

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That is the funniest thing I've heard on here in a long time.

And that is for what exactly? So all of sudden the Premier League have found something on us have they? I'm sure the press would have had it all over their grubby little hands on Monday morning.

I'm calling absolute bollocks. We have done nothing wrong, khaldoon said we won't be taking a pinch or taking the blame for the way other clubs run their business.

The fact alone that Pep has extended for another two years should tell you something. He has always maintained if he's being lied to then he's off, he owes us nothing and would be well within his rights to do so. He trusts khaldoon and Sheikh Mansour and they are true to their word.

Not having a pop at you @M18CTID but it is a non story in my opinion.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
I don't blame @M18CTID for posting but I'm inclined to believe either the information he's heard is simply false OR if true then the Premier League are in no mans land.

Reason being, if we're guilty of the most serious charges I think 40 points is too lenient on what the PL would request and what the IC would make. On the other hand, if we are not guilty of the most serious breaches, 40 points would seem ridiculously extreme for some less serious offences.

My guess, and it's only a guess, is that we'll either be completely fucked (much bigger punishment than 40 points deduction), or if not guilty of the most serious allegations we'll end up with a minimal deduction or possibly a fine. Or alternatively of course, we're cleared of everything.

The 40 points thing just doesn't sound logical in any outcome to me. As I say, only a guess.
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Doesn’t seem right but whilst I’m sure some wires have been crossed ( how would punishments even be discussed before the hearing is complete ) it’s certainly worrying that potential very bad news is being circulated to some people that have good connections at the club.

It’s the first sign we’ve had that the hearing hasn’t gone well for City. I’m sure more details may start to leak if this is starting to come out.
 
Just a quick reminder that the understanding from the well sourced Lawyer magazine, is that the "trial" is a split hearing. Liability (ie whether the charges are proven) will be established first (and presumably published) and then there will a separate hearing dealing with sanction with both parties putting their case as to mitigation, aggrevating factors and proposed sanctions. This will be similar to those 3-5 day hearings in the Everton and Forest cases which, ultimately, were about the sanction as the charges were admitted.

If that is true, far from deciding on a points deduction, they haven't even (and won't) put their respective cases on sanctions for many months even in the worst case for City.
 
M18CTID said:
Sorry to put a dampener on things this morning after getting back to winning ways but just thought I’d share this. One of our lot was telling me last night that he heard on Sunday from someone at Anfield that 50-odd charges have fallen away but they’re going to find against us on some of the others, and we’re getting a 40 point deduction. Now if this “someone” was a random bloke, then obviously I wouldn’t even be giving it the time of day, let alone posting it on here. However, we all know or have at least heard of this “someone” - who I won’t name but I’m sure some will be able to work out who it is - and he told my mate that he’d heard this from a contact “high up at the club”.

Anyway, this mate who heard this said he naturally wasn’t in the best of moods as the second half kicked off! However, he has plenty of other contacts in the media and at the club. One of his media contacts is someone who’s been his mate for the past 30-odd years and again is someone we all know as he errr, cough cough, posts on here ;) So he asked him if he’d heard anything about this so-called 40 point deduction. The answer he got back was along the lines of “That’s bollocks as they’ve not even done the summing up yet!”. This is a fair point as while I think both sides might have an inkling of how things are going at this stage, if the summing up hasn’t even started (or is just starting going off the pics that have been posted on here), let alone the panel then sitting down and spending months deliberating, I can’t see how anyone would know at this point in time what our punishment - if there is to be any - would be.

Like I say, sorry for the seemingly negative post but I think it’s only fair that info from sources should be shared regardless of whether it’s positive or negative.
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I'm confused, you say you had to post it but then state that it can't be true as they're only doing closing arguments as we speak? So if you know it's bollocks then why post at all? I seriously couldn't give a fuck who it allegedly originated from, especially when it's 3 people removed.

And why are people seriously discussing a 40 point deduction?
 
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