PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

M18CTID said:
Sorry to put a dampener on things this morning after getting back to winning ways but just thought I’d share this. One of our lot was telling me last night that he heard on Sunday from someone at Anfield that 50-odd charges have fallen away but they’re going to find against us on some of the others, and we’re getting a 40 point deduction. Now if this “someone” was a random bloke, then obviously I wouldn’t even be giving it the time of day, let alone posting it on here. However, we all know or have at least heard of this “someone” - who I won’t name but I’m sure some will be able to work out who it is - and he told my mate that he’d heard this from a contact “high up at the club”.

Anyway, this mate who heard this said he naturally wasn’t in the best of moods as the second half kicked off! However, he has plenty of other contacts in the media and at the club. One of his media contacts is someone who’s been his mate for the past 30-odd years and again is someone we all know as he errr, cough cough, posts on here ;) So he asked him if he’d heard anything about this so-called 40 point deduction. The answer he got back was along the lines of “That’s bollocks as they’ve not even done the summing up yet!”. This is a fair point as while I think both sides might have an inkling of how things are going at this stage, if the summing up hasn’t even started (or is just starting going off the pics that have been posted on here), let alone the panel then sitting down and spending months deliberating, I can’t see how anyone would know at this point in time what our punishment - if there is to be any - would be.

Like I say, sorry for the seemingly negative post but I think it’s only fair that info from sources should be shared regardless of whether it’s positive or negative.
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Hilarious, scouse humour at its best…
 
M18CTID said:
Sorry to put a dampener on things this morning after getting back to winning ways but just thought I’d share this. One of our lot was telling me last night that he heard on Sunday from someone at Anfield that 50-odd charges have fallen away but they’re going to find against us on some of the others, and we’re getting a 40 point deduction. Now if this “someone” was a random bloke, then obviously I wouldn’t even be giving it the time of day, let alone posting it on here. However, we all know or have at least heard of this “someone” - who I won’t name but I’m sure some will be able to work out who it is - and he told my mate that he’d heard this from a contact “high up at the club”.

Anyway, this mate who heard this said he naturally wasn’t in the best of moods as the second half kicked off! However, he has plenty of other contacts in the media and at the club. One of his media contacts is someone who’s been his mate for the past 30-odd years and again is someone we all know as he errr, cough cough, posts on here ;) So he asked him if he’d heard anything about this so-called 40 point deduction. The answer he got back was along the lines of “That’s bollocks as they’ve not even done the summing up yet!”. This is a fair point as while I think both sides might have an inkling of how things are going at this stage, if the summing up hasn’t even started (or is just starting going off the pics that have been posted on here), let alone the panel then sitting down and spending months deliberating, I can’t see how anyone would know at this point in time what our punishment - if there is to be any - would be.

Like I say, sorry for the seemingly negative post but I think it’s only fair that info from sources should be shared regardless of whether it’s positive or negative.
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I realise this may be a whoosh moment but, people need to stop sharing this stuff they heard from a bloke in a pub, stood next to them at a game, or from Fuckwitbook.

Use some critical thinking skills. The panel are just starting to hear closing arguments. No judgements have been made. No penalties decided. I doubt any charges have been dropped although most are weak and the Etihad stuff has been debunked at CAS.

Yes, we shouldn't be afraid to share negative stuff but only if they're well-sourced, not the product of Nick Harris's fertile and tortured imagination.

The outcome will be delivered when it's delivered. Let's all chill until then.
 
mancboy said:
You only have to look at the last case against the PL where both sides were claiming victory despite the findings and also how would that even work they couldnt prove 50 charges but could prove the other 65, if they had summary evidence that was better for 65 of the charges than the other 50 it would make no sense to pursue the other 50 in the first place.
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I can’t see how they can find one but not multiples, example non co operation, we have either cooperated or not, so if we have that’s all them dropped, if we haven’t then they are all upheld. Same with the Mancini stuff is either one or the other. Anyway they’ve not even done the closing arguments and again we are allowed to appeal so what happens if they deduct us 40 points we get relegated but win the appeal, we come back into the premier league and someone else goes down or they wait for the appeal to be heard which clud go to the start of next season, so then if we start on a minus 40 shouldn’t the team that got relegated this season have cause to make an appeal they shouldn’t have gone down, it’s a complete shit show.
 
M18CTID said:
Sorry to put a dampener on things this morning after getting back to winning ways but just thought I’d share this. One of our lot was telling me last night that he heard on Sunday from someone at Anfield
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Was this "someone at Anfield" in the City end wearing a Barcelona shirt?
 
I heard from the Sheik himself (in a dream) that we were totally innocent but that they were going to punish us with reincarnating Alan Ball to take over from Pep. Sorry to bring the optimism down a peg or two, not saying its true but it's what the Sheik said.
 
M18CTID said:
Thanks Peter. Apologies if I wasn't clear about who this was and which club they're affiliated to. It wasn't someone from the Liverpool side.
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No problem. I thought so but just wanted to be sure.

mancboy said:
You only have to look at the last case against the PL where both sides were claiming victory despite the findings and also how would that even work they couldnt prove 50 charges but could prove the other 65, if they had summary evidence that was better for 65 of the charges than the other 50 it would make no sense to pursue the other 50 in the first place.
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My speculation has always been that the PL overstretched itself in terms of the breadth of the matters it chose to prosecute. In other words, they've added charges on which the evidence is weak in the hope that they might make some stick, and the sheer number of charges feeds into the media-fed public perception that we must have been cheating on an industrial scale.

I've always wondered whether they might not have been better going after us on a smaller number of matters, focusing only on those. We'll see in the fullness of time whether or not I've been correct in thinking that.
 
petrusha said:
No problem. I thought so but just wanted to be sure.



My speculation has always been that the PL overstretched itself in terms of the breadth of the matters it chose to prosecute. In other words, they've added charges on which the evidence is weak in the hope that they might make some stick, and the sheer number of charges feeds into the media-fed public perception that we must have been cheating on an industrial scale.

I've always wondered whether they might not have been better going after us on a smaller number of matters, focusing only on those. We'll see in the fullness of time whether or not I've been correct in thinking that.
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I have said from day one that this has been nothing more than a media smear campaign designed to tarnish our reputation which in respect has worked spectacularly, from a legal standpoint throwing that many charges was always going to be a hiding to nothing, as you say if they had any real notion of going after us legally then it would have been much more prudent to focus on the three big charges but three charges doesnt play well in the media but 115 does and imo this has what this has all been about from day one, from the moment the statement to the media was hastily and incorrectly published right up until now.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Actually, replying to myself I know, but I suppose it is possible that that is what the PL is asking for in it's closing statement.

But looking at it logically, that would mean many things about what the PL think was proven and what was dropped. So many things that I don't have the strength right now. But I could put a case for the PL asking for a 40 point deduction if the most serious allegations weren't proven and some of the less serious ones were. Aim high, settle less, I suppose.

Anyway, I still think it's probably bollocks.
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Tend to agree.
Any passed on info is subject to opinion as well as natural change.
We all know what "send reinforcements were going to advance" became at the end of the trenches.
 
M18CTID said:
Sorry to put a dampener on things this morning after getting back to winning ways but just thought I’d share this. One of our lot was telling me last night that he heard on Sunday from someone at Anfield that 50-odd charges have fallen away but they’re going to find against us on some of the others, and we’re getting a 40 point deduction. Now if this “someone” was a random bloke, then obviously I wouldn’t even be giving it the time of day, let alone posting it on here. However, we all know or have at least heard of this “someone” - who I won’t name but I’m sure some will be able to work out who it is - and he told my mate that he’d heard this from a contact “high up at the club”.

Anyway, this mate who heard this said he naturally wasn’t in the best of moods as the second half kicked off! However, he has plenty of other contacts in the media and at the club. One of his media contacts is someone who’s been his mate for the past 30-odd years and again is someone we all know as he errr, cough cough, posts on here ;) So he asked him if he’d heard anything about this so-called 40 point deduction. The answer he got back was along the lines of “That’s bollocks as they’ve not even done the summing up yet!”. This is a fair point as while I think both sides might have an inkling of how things are going at this stage, if the summing up hasn’t even started (or is just starting going off the pics that have been posted on here), let alone the panel then sitting down and spending months deliberating, I can’t see how anyone would know at this point in time what our punishment - if there is to be any - would be.

Like I say, sorry for the seemingly negative post but I think it’s only fair that info from sources should be shared regardless of whether it’s positive or negative.
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Could have a kernel of truth about it. Something along the lines of an ‘offer’ from the PL. “70 charges disappear, you admit the others, accept 40 point deduction, case closed”.
Hopefully we wouldn’t accept that, assuming ‘irrefutable’ is true.
Of course, if ‘irrefutable’ was not panning out, with us looking like we might miss out on top 4 anyway, we might just take it!!

Staying up with a 40 point deduction. It could be a season for the ages….
 
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The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Could have a kernel of truth about it. Something along the lines of an ‘offer’ from the PL. “70 charges disappear, you admit the others, accept 40 point deduction, case closed”.
Hopefully we wouldn’t accept that, assuming ‘irrefutable’ is true.
Of course, if ‘irrefutable’ was not panning out, with us looking like we might miss out on top 4 anyway, we might just take it!!!
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The stain of a 40 points deduction would erode all the good Mansour’s ownership has brought to the club.

We could never escape the cheat accusations if it was backed up by 40 points.

Hopefully it’s just nonsense and misinterpreted information going from A to B via xyz ect.
 
wolviedinho said:
The stain of a 40 points deduction would erode all the good Mansour’s ownership has brought to the club.

We could never escape the cheat accusations if it was backed up by 40 points.

Hopefully it’s just nonsense and misinterpreted information going from A to B via xyz ect.
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It’d be dressed up as ‘unintentional’ with the majority punishment relating to non-cooperation, whatever that means. I’d imagine we’d get it down to 20 on appeal. Remember Everton got done 10 points and nobody actually cares!
 
wolviedinho said:
The stain of a 40 points deduction would erode all the good Mansour’s ownership has brought to the club.

We could never escape the cheat accusations if it was backed up by 40 points.

Hopefully it’s just nonsense and misinterpreted information going from A to B via xyz ect.
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The cheat accusations would persist with a £40 fine. Some fans would continue with them if we were completely exonerated, what matters is we could hold our heads up high and give back the stick we have been taking over the past 2 years.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Could have a kernel of truth about it. Something along the lines of an ‘offer’ from the PL. “70 charges disappear, you admit the others, accept 40 point deduction, case closed”.
Hopefully we wouldn’t accept that, assuming ‘irrefutable’ is true.
Of course, if ‘irrefutable’ was not panning out, with us looking like we might miss out on top 4 anyway, we might just take it!!

Staying up with a 40 point deduction. It could be a season for the ages….
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We have already said we will not be taking a pinch, if they were going to make a deal there is no point taking it this far.
 
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