PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[M18CTID]

40 point deductions will not have been decided at the time Ian Cheeseman passed on the information. It makes me wonder whether it was deliberately passed to him as a test - I can't think of any other reason. I remain convinced that we will emerge relatively scot-free beyond the damage already done to our reputation.

Anyway, giving people a hard time for passing on things they have heard stops much of the forum's activity. We all love a bit of gossip, especially around transfers.

One theory I’ve seen - and it is a bit of a conspiracy theory to be fair - kind of mirrors that. That the club could be putting things out that aren’t true just to see who picks up on it and whether they subsequently pass it on. I’m not sure about that of course, and my own theory is that perhaps the PL have been pushing for a 40 point deduction, this has then found its way to Cheesy via a club contact, and Cheesy has perhaps taken it too literally as being the actual punishment when we’re not even at that stage yet.

 

[Roachy]

We’ve been through all this the other week but you obviously missed it.

While talk of a 40 point deduction is almost certainly a Chinese whisper, Cheeseman relaying the story wasn’t a Chinese whisper. He said it and he knows he said it. He told one of ours at Anfield the other week and said that his source was someone “high up” at the club. The person he told was hardly going to keep it to himself was he? No, of course he wasn’t. Especially as that person, like Cheeseman, has plenty of contacts in the media and also a couple at the club. So the first thing he did was check Cheeseman’s story out with Tolmie who he’s been mates with for 30 years and to try and find out if Tolmie had heard anything along similar lines. Tolmie reverted back to him saying Cheesy was chatting shit. Since then, Cheesy has subsequently denied ever saying it. I find that disappointing to be honest. Unlike some on here, I’ve always had a lot of time for him.

Now it’s up to you if you want to believe the above but Tolmie can back some of it up, and although he himself didn’t hear it from Cheeseman, the person who did is a long-standing mate of his and isn’t going to make shit like that up. For some reason, I got pelters on here from some quarters when all I’ve ever done on here is post any info in good faith. I’ve posted positive and negative snippets on here about this case. I bet if Cheeseman had told my mate something wholly positive instead, those same detractors on here would’ve no doubt been wanking themselves silly about it. In fact, it can be argued that what I posted wasn’t entirely negative anyway because I made sure I also posted Tolmie’s rebuttal.

Good effort for repeatedly trying to clear this up mate, must be close to pulling you hair out, lol.

 

[oldius]

One theory I’ve seen - and it is a bit of a conspiracy theory to be fair - kind of mirrors that. That the club could be putting things out that aren’t true just to see who picks up on it and whether they subsequently pass it on. I’m not sure about that of course, and my own theory is that perhaps the PL have been pushing for a 40 point deduction, this has then found its way to Cheesy via a club contact, and Cheesy has perhaps taken it too literally when we’re not even at that stage yet.

Also a possibility.
It is very easy for people to slip up. A few beers, a bit of banter, and information easily gets out. We have probably all seen the same at works social functions and parties. I have never met Ian Cheeseman, but he also struck me as a true blue. I don't imagine that he would do something to deliberately damage the club.

As for the case, the timings of what he revealed didn't stack up so I treated it as nothing more than a but of gossip, but highly unlikely. We all just have to wait. This is not the same as cases where other clubs were clearly briefed by individuals with vested interests. The tribunal panel is now effectively sitting in judgement and making their final decisions. Anything that is now revealed, in advance, outs a mole from a very small burrow.

 

[Coatigan]

One theory I’ve seen - and it is a bit of a conspiracy theory to be fair - kind of mirrors that. That the club could be putting things out that aren’t true just to see who picks up on it and whether they subsequently pass it on. I’m not sure about that of course, and my own theory is that perhaps the PL have been pushing for a 40 point deduction, this has then found its way to Cheesy via a club contact, and Cheesy has perhaps taken it too literally as being the actual punishment when we’re not even at that stage yet.

It is the idea of them pushing for any point deduction or punishment, while the hearing was still ongoing, that ultimately falls apart. Rather than who said it, where they may have heard it or how etc.

As I understand it, the now concluded hearing is to determine whether the charges have merit or not. Any punishment or deductions can only become a consideration once a verdict on that is passed. Which is months away.

I say that as much for a general point on here as a response to you specifically.

 

[M18CTID]

He did if I recall, OK people seem to think he was guessing but he DID get it right.

He did and I’m not sure that it was just a lucky punt as some are suggesting. I’ve said before - originally on the Sunday night before the CAS verdict was out - that the staff were told on the Friday before the official announcement that we’d been successful in our appeal. I just can’t remember if Cheeseman’s tweet was before the Friday or on the Friday itself. If it was the latter then I reckon he was tipped off by one of the staff at the club.

Just 24 hours later on the Saturday night, the founding member of one of the OSC branches was pissed up down the pub and telling everyone who cared to listen that we’d won!

 

[Lord Blue]

We’ve been through all this the other week but you obviously missed it.

While talk of a 40 point deduction is almost certainly a Chinese whisper, Cheeseman relaying the story wasn’t a Chinese whisper. He said it and he knows he said it. He told one of ours at Anfield the other week and said that his source was someone “high up” at the club. The person he told was hardly going to keep it to himself was he? No, of course he wasn’t. Especially as that person, like Cheeseman, has plenty of contacts in the media and also a couple at the club. So the first thing he did was check Cheeseman’s story out with Tolmie who he’s been mates with for 30 years and to try and find out if Tolmie had heard anything along similar lines. Tolmie reverted back to him saying Cheesy was chatting shit. Since then, Cheesy has subsequently denied ever saying it. I find that disappointing to be honest. Unlike some on here, I’ve always had a lot of time for him.

Now it’s up to you if you want to believe the above but Tolmie can back some of it up, and although he himself didn’t hear it from Cheeseman, the person who did is a long-standing mate of his and isn’t going to make shit like that up. For some reason, I got pelters on here from some quarters when all I’ve ever done on here is post any info in good faith. I’ve posted positive and negative snippets on here about this case. I bet if Cheeseman had told my mate something wholly positive instead, those same detractors on here would’ve no doubt been wanking themselves silly about it. In fact, it can be argued that what I posted wasn’t entirely negative anyway because I made sure I also posted Tolmie’s rebuttal.

as you were replying to me, i'll drop it here too. not that my one single post was going on about it.
i merely said that every one who has posted it is equally as guilty of spreading rumours as cheeseman if not more so. thats how rumours work. in my opinion of course. cheeseman seems to be getting unjustly viewed. i wasn't having a dig at anyone at all.

 

[Protein Junkie]

I've just trawled through this shite for the same reason, the Ian Dury references were sadly the highlights.

At least you found reasons to be cheerful.

 

[Damocles]

We’ve been through all this the other week but you obviously missed it.

While talk of a 40 point deduction is almost certainly a Chinese whisper, Cheeseman relaying the story wasn’t a Chinese whisper. He said it and he knows he said it. He told one of ours at Anfield the other week and said that his source was someone “high up” at the club. The person he told was hardly going to keep it to himself was he? No, of course he wasn’t. Especially as that person, like Cheeseman, has plenty of contacts in the media and also a couple at the club. So the first thing he did was check Cheeseman’s story out with Tolmie who he’s been mates with for 30 years and to try and find out if Tolmie had heard anything along similar lines. Tolmie reverted back to him saying Cheesy was chatting shit. Since then, Cheesy has subsequently denied ever saying it. I find that disappointing to be honest. Unlike some on here, I’ve always had a lot of time for him.

Now it’s up to you if you want to believe the above but Tolmie can back some of it up, and although he himself didn’t hear it from Cheeseman, the person who did is a long-standing mate of his and isn’t going to make shit like that up. For some reason, I got pelters on here from some quarters when all I’ve ever done on here is post any info in good faith. I’ve posted positive and negative snippets on here about this case. I bet if Cheeseman had told my mate something wholly positive instead, those same detractors on here would’ve no doubt been wanking themselves silly about it. In fact, it can be argued that what I posted wasn’t entirely negative anyway because I made sure I also posted Tolmie’s rebuttal.

Fair but you didn't help yourself with the "I'm not going to name my source but DM me" stuff then told everyone the source anyway. It looked from the outside thatvyou were enjoying it. Along with the obvious idea that knowing the judgement of a case before the thing has even finished is a strange thing to say.
I agree that people who pass on a whisper get too much shit but in this one specific incident, it came across on you poorly.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

We’ve been through all this the other week but you obviously missed it.

While talk of a 40 point deduction is almost certainly a Chinese whisper, Cheeseman relaying the story wasn’t a Chinese whisper. He said it and he knows he said it. He told one of ours at Anfield the other week and said that his source was someone “high up” at the club. The person he told was hardly going to keep it to himself was he? No, of course he wasn’t. Especially as that person, like Cheeseman, has plenty of contacts in the media and also a couple at the club. So the first thing he did was check Cheeseman’s story out with Tolmie who he’s been mates with for 30 years and to try and find out if Tolmie had heard anything along similar lines. Tolmie reverted back to him saying Cheesy was chatting shit. Since then, Cheesy has subsequently denied ever saying it. I find that disappointing to be honest. Unlike some on here, I’ve always had a lot of time for him.

Now it’s up to you if you want to believe the above but Tolmie can back some of it up, and although he himself didn’t hear it from Cheeseman, the person who did is a long-standing mate of his and isn’t going to make shit like that up. For some reason, I got pelters on here from some quarters when all I’ve ever done on here is post any info in good faith. I’ve posted positive and negative snippets on here about this case. I bet if Cheeseman had told my mate something wholly positive instead, those same detractors on here would’ve no doubt been wanking themselves silly about it. In fact, it can be argued that what I posted wasn’t entirely negative anyway because I made sure I also posted Tolmie’s rebuttal.

You did fuck all wrong mate. Regulars know you aren't a bullshitter. You're getting shit because people don't like the message.

I'm hoping it's chinese whispers ("If it doesn't go our way the worst we could get might be 40 points" kind of quote) but I don't doubt you're reporting in good faith.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Have you actually bothered to read any of what I posted today and the other week? Or do you find it difficult to understand plain English?

Apologies for not hanging onto your every word. I've caught up now. Fascinating spat.

"understand plain English?" Fckin calm down

 

[Gazza]

At least you found reasons to be cheerful.

What a waste though.

 

[ganganvince]

At least you found reasons to be cheerful.

Part 3

 

[Palerider]

With all the rumours flying about someone, somewhere will be proven right. However from what I have read about the evidence, if the PL give us anything greater than a slap on the wrist fine for non co-operation then they will be creating a very, very large precedent where everyone will be questioning, probably quite rightly, why every single financial misstep of any club is not punished with points deductions. It will turn the Premier League into a joke.

 

[M18CTID]

as you were replying to me, i'll drop it here too. not that my one single post was going on about it.
i merely said that every one who has posted it is equally as guilty of spreading rumours as cheeseman if not more so. thats how rumours work. in my opinion of course. cheeseman seems to be getting unjustly viewed. i wasn't having a dig at anyone at all.

No probs mate

 

[M18CTID]

Fair but you didn't help yourself with the "I'm not going to name my source but DM me" stuff then told everyone the source anyway. It looked from the outside thatvyou were enjoying it. Along with the obvious idea that knowing the judgement of a case before the thing has even finished is a strange thing to say.
I agree that people who pass on a whisper get too much shit but in this one specific incident, it came across on you poorly.

It wasn’t me that named the source in public mate. Another poster outed him on here while I was keeping it to PMs. There was no point in keeping a lid on it after that was there? You can check back through the thread if you want. Enjoying it? Behave ffs!

 

[M18CTID]

There’s no way Ian cheeseman knows anything at all about the outcome of this case. This case that isn’t even completed yet.
And I don’t blame Tolmie for claiming it’s bollocks.

There. Sorted.

Here you go @Damocles

For the avoidance of doubt, this is the post that first mentioned Cheeseman - and Tolmie - in public on here. Cheers.

 

[Damocles]

It wasn’t me that named the source in public mate. Another poster outed him on here while I was keeping it to PMs. There was no point in keeping a lid on it after that was there? You can check back through the thread if you want. Enjoying it? Behave ffs!

Just how it came across at the time mate. The whole "I've got a great source but I won't tell you unless you PM me" thing comes across badly because if you're willing to tell anyone who messages by PM then it can't really be that secret and you may as well just say it. Again, I agree with you in principle and I know you're not a bullshitter, I just advise people passing on stuff on here that wherever possible they just lay it all out in public to their comfortableness and leave it at that otherwise.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Here you go @Damocles

For the avoidance of doubt, this is the post that first mentioned Cheeseman - and Tolmie - in public on here. Cheers.

Stand your ground. You’re on a football forum which is literally for fans to post stuff and others to agree or disagree. Without rumours and hearsay and bullshit - and occasional nuggets of truth- it would be a very dull place.

 

[M18CTID]

Just how it came across at the time mate. The whole "I've got a great source but I won't tell you unless you PM me" thing comes across badly because if you're willing to tell anyone who messages by PM then it can't really be that secret and you may as well just say it. Again, I agree with you in principle and I know you're not a bullshitter, I just advise people passing on stuff on here that wherever possible they just lay it all out in public to their comfortableness and leave it at that otherwise.

It was a tough one because of who the source was. Plenty who PM’ed me who were initially critical changed their mind when they found out who it was, and agreed that I was right not to name them on the forum. I only started PM’ing people the name because everyone wanted to know and I don’t blame them for that - I’d be the same to be fair. A lot of the ITKs on here don’t name their sources so I don’t see why this should be any different. I felt bad that he was eventually outed but some of that disappeared when he started to deny that he’d ever said it in the first place. Now I’m reading that he’s giving cryptic messages in a recent podcast about knowing something but not being able to say anything!

 

[M18CTID]

Stand your ground. You’re on a football forum which is literally for fans to post stuff and others to agree or disagree. Without rumours and hearsay and bullshit - and occasional nuggets of truth- it would be a very dull place.

Thanks mate. Maybe I should stick to seat counting ;)