MillionMilesAway
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which Times reporter was that?
Starmer said again at PMQs I think that he put new processes in place for that - he's said so repeatedly, but it's a fact and they're a bit out of fashion.
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which Times reporter was that?
Starmer said again at PMQs I think that he put new processes in place for that - he's said so repeatedly, but it's a fact and they're a bit out of fashion.
Really_here
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I'm talking about these two.
Rochdale grooming gang members to be deported to Pakistan
Adil Khan and Qari Abdul Rauf lose appeal as judges say ‘very strong public interest’ to deport them
www.theguardian.com
That doesn't even seem to be up for debate, even with minimal knowledge.
It does seem odd we're in a situation where we've got people like Jess Phillips and Starmer being given grief, when they can easily point to what they've done. At the same time, Badenoch and Jenrick have to bluff there way out of any questions about their inaction as ministers.
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Hilariously shit rhyming insult from Fordyboy the Toryboy.
Yep, that one’s shit as well but at your level.
I'm talking about these two.
Rochdale grooming gang members to be deported to Pakistan
Adil Khan and Qari Abdul Rauf lose appeal as judges say ‘very strong public interest’ to deport them
From what I can see, that's an unusual case.
I genuinely have no idea what would happen if they are dual citizens (or now citizens of nowhere), and Pakistan won't take them.
What would you suggest? If we stick them on a plane, and Pakistan doesn't accept it, then they just get put on a plane back, surely?
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There's an interesting article in the Guardian (I know) by Jonathan Portes. It sets out the economic challenges the country is facing over the next few years and states (inter alia) that upward pressures on interest rates are likely. So for everyone with mortgages, a fixed-term might be a good idea. The pressure seems to have more to do with US policy than anything we do here.
The article also mentions in passing that immigration is 'falling sharply'. That's interesting. Will people be appeased by this fact? Will Labour get any credit for it? Somehow, I doubt it.
The article also mentions in passing that immigration is 'falling sharply'. That's interesting. Will people be appeased by this fact? Will Labour get any credit for it? Somehow, I doubt it.
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I think he's called Andrew Norfolk.
metalblue
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Already under upward pressure. Markets are showing signs of a lack of confidence in the UK now. We’ve got 30 year yields at prices not seen since 1998 and 10 year rates at levels not seen since 2008 - normally you’d shrug and say it’s global headwinds but add in a weakening pound (which should be strengthening with higher yields) and you start to get a picture of reeves loosing the confidence of the markets in her ability to drive growth - not truss levels of loss but we last saw this trend of weakling pound and raising rates during that disastrous budget so not something to ignore. A blip it may yet prove but with £270bn up for auction this year the treasury are going to be a little concerned.
blueish swede
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It's actuallly very difficult to deport people against their will. This is a problem for many coountries not just the UK.I'm talking about these two.
Rochdale grooming gang members to be deported to Pakistan
Adil Khan and Qari Abdul Rauf lose appeal as judges say ‘very strong public interest’ to deport them
I suspect most criminals who are deported are deported whilst still incarcerated and serve out their sentence in their home country. Once released it becomes exponentially more diffuicult to enforce a deportation of someone with settled status in a country. Although countries have extradition treaties, none, that I know of, have deportation treaties for non-prisoners.
It is actually a bit of a fallicy to say deportation is an actionabe punishment. Very often countries refuse to accept unwilling criminals (why wouldn't you).
In the case of the two individuals from Rochdale they voluntarily gave up their Pakistani citizenship. Pakistan has accepted their decision (again, why not). The UK ever returning them to Pakistan has become unlikely.
What is needed is:
1) a re-negotiation so that there are extradition and deportation treaties. You can't have one without the other, and
2) deportation being an alternative to part of the sentence - you serve 8 years and agree to be deported, from prison direct to the airport, or you serve 16 years.
metalblue
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She has a lot on her plate. With borrowing costs increasing and no growth forecast she will have no room to spend more, in fact she’ll end up cutting spending or needing to put taxes up again.
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Hopefully sooner.
The yield rates not seen since 1998 is a bit of a red herring.
They were under 1% as recently as the start of 2022, and were already over 5% in the last month of the Tory government. To be jumping to 5.3%, considering how much was done in the budget is a total nothing stat.
Who would you like to see?
metalblue
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With a weakening pound?
Which was also lower earlier in 2024, and significantly lower a couple of years ago.
Look at the longer term graphs and the change since Labour came into power is minimal.
I doubt she's pleased, but it's hardly more than normal fluctuations.
mosssideblue
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Why?
metalblue
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It’s nothing to do with the individual parts but rather the divergence between rising rates and a falling pound. That’s not really normal - interest rates are used to weaken or strengthen a currency. Rising rates = strengthening of currency is the general principle. Although a blip it may yet prove to be - and if it was fairly shallow divergence it wouldn’t really raise much of an eyebrow but in this case it isn’t shallow nor showing signs of abating - some economists are saying it’s overdone as they think the UK economy will grow better than forecast but it’s hard to fight market sentiment.
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He won't be, if him and Reeves grow the economy. Everything rests on that essentially. If people are feeling better off why would they vote Labour out. You could say the same with the Conservatives, but other factors came into play with them. Lots of stupid mistakes and a split vote with Reform eating into their voting share did for them.
bluethrunthru
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because they want it to happen - none can articulate why they think a PM 6 months into a 5 year term with a huge majority would quit nor for what reason his Party would oust him
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