PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[failsworthblueboy]

He (and the information) may be wrong. But he isn't lying (IMO).

He's a born liar and an attention seeker who can't help himself.

 

[crystal_mais]

Not knowledge but as he said on air he's heard City aren't as confident as I have heard.

The last person I think City would want send soundbites to is this ****. I don't think Jordan would have an ear at City. I maybe wrong.

 

[failsworthblueboy]

The last person I think City would want send soundbites to is this ****. I don't think Jordan would have an ear at City. I maybe wrong.

Nobody knows nothing mate and they keep rattling the nest to see if anything drops out.

 

[Damocles]

you know how how you can tell when jordan is lying? his lips are moving

He's never struck me as a liar. Heavily opinionated and bias his own history like a lot of people do, but never am outright fantasist who invents shit because he's bored

 

[mac]

That’s what I thought but just wanted to check. That’s a bit of a worry. Thanks for the reply.

Why is it a worry that a City hating prick has never given us any credit or any support.

 

[Family Man Ashton]

First off, the PL would have to prove it was a sham. It didn't have to be Mancini personally delivering the consultancy so even if they had evidence he never spoke to anyone at Al Jazira, that's not in itself proof. It could have been David Platt, Lombardo or anyone else who was suitably qualified, even if they had no connection with City.

Second, great play was made of the supposed fact that we paid him more via Al Jazira (£1.75m pa) than via City (£1.45m). But this was a misleading comparison as his City contract was heavily incentivised, so by winning the FA Cup and getting top 4, he received far more than that base £1.45m

Finally, if the PL allege it was fraudulent and designed to hide expenses from the accounts, we'd simply point to the scale of our losses at that time (which totalled around £350m in the years that Mancini was manager) and ask why we'd want to hide less than £6m. If it was the difference between profit and loss, or passing or failing FFP, then there might be a case but the amounts involved are completely immaterial compared to the level of losses we were reporting.

It's a complete red herring and the PL bringing it into the charges seems to reinforce the view that they're throwing any little thing at us, however irrelevant it is. It's the optics of the charges that are more damaging than the actuality.

We can probably take comfort from the fact that if they thought they had us bang to rights on the potentially far more serious and material sponsorship issues, they wouldn't need to bother with the Mancini stuff.

My guess is that there was some tax advantage for Mancini in this arrangement and that many foreign managers in England have some sort of similar arrangement. There was certainly no advantage to us.

100% an arrangement to avoid paying taxes in Italy, but I guess neither Mancini nor City will admit it.

 

[mancboy]

He's never struck me as a liar. Heavily opinionated and bias his own history like a lot of people do, but never am outright fantasist who invents shit because he's bored

hes always struck me as an outright chancer who thinks because he dresses his bullshit up with pretty words it makes it more believable

 

[mac]

Not sure of that tbh. He is good friends with Daniel Levy and who knows could hear snippets from him? Let’s hope he is wrong.

FFS.

 

[SilverFox2]

Wasn't Jordan just being his usual contrarian self. He wasn't challenged by Jim White on the show as to where he was getting his information from. I would trust Stefan's info far more than show boater Jordan. We'll find out soonish. Come on City!

At least with Stefan we get a different opinion, when we play or are media discussed the opinions are biased exclusively against us.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

hes always struck me as an outright chancer who thinks because he dresses his bullshit up with pretty words it makes it more believable

His words aren’t that pretty. Although he plainly thinks they are.

 

[Damocles]

First off, the PL would have to prove it was a sham. It didn't have to be Mancini personally delivering the consultancy so even if they had evidence he never spoke to anyone at Al Jazira, that's not in itself proof. It could have been David Platt, Lombardo or anyone else who was suitably qualified, even if they had no connection with City.

Second, great play was made of the supposed fact that we paid him more via Al Jazira (£1.75m pa) than via City (£1.45m). But this was a misleading comparison as his City contract was heavily incentivised, so by winning the FA Cup and getting top 4, he received far more than that base £1.45m

Finally, if the PL allege it was fraudulent and designed to hide expenses from the accounts, we'd simply point to the scale of our losses at that time (which totalled around £350m in the years that Mancini was manager) and ask why we'd want to hide less than £6m. If it was the difference between profit and loss, or passing or failing FFP, then there might be a case but the amounts involved are completely immaterial compared to the level of losses we were reporting.

It's a complete red herring and the PL bringing it into the charges seems to reinforce the view that they're throwing any little thing at us, however irrelevant it is. It's the optics of the charges that are more damaging than the actuality.

We can probably take comfort from the fact that if they thought they had us bang to rights on the potentially far more serious and material sponsorship issues, they wouldn't need to bother with the Mancini stuff.

My guess is that there was some tax advantage for Mancini in this arrangement and that many foreign managers in England have some sort of similar arrangement. There was certainly no advantage to us.

I think the biggest thing that nobody seems to mention is that his Al Jazira work predates his time at City. He was working as a consultant for them even when he was Inter manager.

 

[Sky Blue Thinking]

Obviously didn't study geography at school - that is, if they actually attended school.

If they did study geography and are local to Kings Lynn they might have found out there are multiple league football teams closer to KL than one that plays in Trafford if thats who they 'support'.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

He (and the information) may be wrong. But he isn't lying (IMO).

There’s a continuum of misleading statements that range from outright fabrication through to gloss and spin of unsubstantiated and uncorroborated third party rumour and speculation.

And whilst Jordan he might not be guilty of the former, I’d be amazed if he wasn’t prone to the latter, especially whilst he’s broadcasting. He’s a salesman by instinct and his function on that station is to say things that are edgy and noteworthy. Anodyne he is not.

 

[mancboy]

His words aren’t that pretty. Although he plainly thinks they are.

to the average talkshite listener he must seem like the oracle, to those with an iq in the double digits he is what he is.

 

[Damocles]

There’s a continuum of misleading statements that range from outright fabrication through to gloss and spin of unsubstantiated and uncorroborated third party rumour and speculation.

And whilst Jordan he might not be guilty of the former, I’d be amazed if he wasn’t prone to the latter.

Spinning things to a dramatic context IS his job though. He's an entertainer, not an analyst. Stefan is the analyst. Jordan is the full timer who is there to generate revenue

I find it hard to get annoyed at TalkSport presenters because they don't make any claims to be anything but what they are.

 

[SilverFox2]

He (and the information) may be wrong. But he isn't lying (IMO).

Possibly he is ensuring that his show will project both outcomes.

Pity he does not do that when you are not on the show.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Spinning things to a dramatic context IS his job though. He's an entertainer, not an analyst.

I’d actually already edited my post to reflect that, although in far more erudite terms :-)

 

[Damocles]

I’d actually already edited my post to reflect that, although in far more erudite terms :-)

As soon as I Google what erudite means, I'm going to be very mad at you maybe

 

[spinney]

I think the biggest thing that nobody seems to mention is that his Al Jazira work predates his time at City. He was working as a consultant for them even when he was Inter manager.

This seems to have been lost in time by the 'free press' and media experts

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Thought something had happened.

Simon Jordan!! Get a grip people!!